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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Yesterday the DJ dropped 250 points. How many more days like this can America withstand?

    Wouldn't cutting capital gains taxes immediately effect Wall Street?
    Maybe a bear rally, but nothing significant. Reason be, i highly doubt it would be permanent. The problem is systemic, and a clear cut solution is off the table. There is $8 trillion (US alone) in toxic assets lagging down the banks. Once the bad debt is dealt with, Wall Street will boom.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    perhaps no one cares about your strawman, just sayin.
    He didn't build a strawman. He originally asked for an example of a sitting President debating a citizen. Now he's reminding us that nobody has provided an example. The point here being there is no precedent.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Can any of you who want a debate provide a single precedent?
    Straw Man.
    Reasoning

    The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern:

    1. Person A has position X.

    2. Person B ignores X and instead presents position Y.
    Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:

    1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.[1]
    2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context i.e. choosing quotations which are intentionally misrepresentative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).[2]
    3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments - thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
    4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
    5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

    3. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.
    This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.
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    Post Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    I'd like him to debate Neal Boortz.

    Boortz on boortz.com

    And I'd like to see Ron Paul eat him up too.

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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Still waiting for an example of a sitting president accepting a debate with a private citizen. If it isn't done, then why suggest it should be done?
    Come, come.
    The answer is simple.
    Let's change some characters around shall we?

    First let's set the stage:

    Bush has in his first month singled out four individuals; most folks in the press support Bush, but four are outspoken.

    Karl Rove has been colluding with several members of the media to attack one of the four especially, and use tainted bait.
    They have as a tactic been making the claim he is the head of the party.

    Bush claims he is bipartisan and willing to listen to all sides during this challenging time.

    End

    Now, if this is the scenario, why not... for the good of the country when Bush played all these notes?

    That it would set precedent doesn't matter.
    He's the president and for the good of the nation?
    The world?

    I thought libs loved setting precedent?
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Come, come.
    The answer is simple.
    Let's change some characters around shall we?

    First let's set the stage:

    Bush has in his first month singled out four individuals; most folks in the press support Bush, but four are outspoken.

    Karl Rove has been colluding with several members of the media to attack one of the four especially, and use tainted bait.
    They have as a tactic been making the claim he is the head of the party.

    Bush claims he is bipartisan and willing to listen to all sides during this challenging time.

    End

    Now, if this is the scenario, why not... for the good of the country when Bush played all these notes?

    That it would set precedent doesn't matter.
    He's the president and for the good of the nation?
    The world?

    I thought libs loved setting precedent?
    What would be accomplished? There are no binding agreements in a debate like this. There are no rules that say "if the Fox opinion poll show you lose, you must change your policy on health care."

    You harp on the "good of the nation." Fine, show me in what way this would benefit the nation.
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    What would be accomplished? There are no binding agreements in a debate like this. There are no rules that say "if the Fox opinion poll show you lose, you must change your policy on health care."

    You harp on the "good of the nation." Fine, show me in what way this would benefit the nation.
    Lersxt... I'm shocked!

    Not really... was only guff'in.

    There is an old saying, and I learned it from a deceased Scottish doctor. He said, "if there is no discussion, there is no interest."

    This would be the most reported debate in the world.
    It would rank #1 of political debates... presidential debates.
    World wide coverage.

    The winner would be known through future actions. That is what counts.

    A total exposure of Obama's wrong headed activity would be there for all to see.
    This would accomplish a lot at the ballot box in the coming elections.

    Obama knows it.

    It has been Obama and his Hatchet Men claiming they have nominated him leader... so why not speak with him.

    They cut and run because they know they haven't a prayer.
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    There is an old saying, and I learned it from a deceased Scottish doctor. He said, "if there is no discussion, there is no interest."
    Codswollop! There's an old saying for you. Old Scottish anecdotes are irrelevant. There is an intense amount of discussion about this administration, it's policies, and it's performance. To suggest otherwise is to simply be obtuse.

    This would be the most reported debate in the world.
    It would rank #1 of political debates... presidential debates.
    World wide coverage.
    I'm sure it would. So?

    The winner would be known through future actions. That is what counts.
    So why have the debate? If the "winner" is determined through future actions then the debate is meaningless.

    A total exposure of Obama's wrong headed activity would be there for all to see.
    As if your mind and that of like minded people isn't already made up. Obama is tried and convicted in your head. He is under an intense microscope as it is. If your goal is to convince me this debate is necessary or even remotely productive, save your energy. Nobody on this forum has made even a hint of a case that substantiates this to any degree.
    This would accomplish a lot at the ballot box in the coming elections.
    Hardly. His performance will accomplish a lot at the ballot boxes one way or the other.

    Obama knows it.
    I doubt that, but it's clear that you're convinced of it.

    It has been Obama and his Hatchet Men claiming they have nominated him leader... so why not speak with him.
    Obama made a mistake when he even acknowledged Limbaugh. Just because that happened doesn't in any way legitimize Limbaugh to the degree that the President should feel compelled to debate him. Again, there's no point to it.

    They cut and run because they know they haven't a prayer.
    Okay, sure. We'll go with that.

    Now, as I've asked previously, please show me in what way this would benefit our nation. Satisfying your desire to see your boy share a stage with Obama doesn't count.
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    So why have the debate? If the "winner" is determined through future actions then the debate is meaningless.
    The United States is not meaningless.

    Mr. Bipartisan and his minions are a little gutless about taking on Obama's self anointed leader of the opposition?

    Why not destroy the guy once and for all?
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Limbaugh is just a stupid over opinionated old fool of an entertainer for the not so bright....IMO.
    Now, to have the President debate a true intellectual..Bill Buckley was one.....that might be interesting.......but for our President to debate anyone is not good......The pro debater would win every time...and what would this prove ???

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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    The United States is not meaningless.
    You don't understand. Which is why I keep asking how this will benefit the nation. You can't answer that question for some reason. This debate will not change the United States in any way. It will accomplish nothing meaningful nor will it produce anything of value to the nation. Therefore the debate is meaningless. Unless of course you can articulate a valid counter to this and give an example.

    Mr. Bipartisan and his minions are a little gutless about taking on Obama's self anointed leader of the opposition?
    I think your OPINION on this is quite clear.

    Why not destroy the guy once and for all?
    Not sure where your logic is coming from, but if you think you can "destroy the guy once and for all" in a television debate, then I don't think you can truly comprehend what's good or bad for this nation.

    With all due respect, your position on this matter is somewhat disturbing. Is this really what the right believes?
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