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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    If Republicans really acted this way, no one would complain. Instead, they obstruct, impeach, spend millions cooking up dirty tricks, and refuse to let the elected party govern.
    So in other words they act just like Democrats? Hmmm.


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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Umm, I may be crazy here but the republicans in power ALSO were elected. And I believe them doing things within the law to obstruct laws and actions that run contrary to what the constituents that voted them into power want is actually EXACTLY what they should be doing and not something they should be insulted or slandered for.
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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    If Republicans really acted this way, no one would complain. Instead, they obstruct, impeach, spend millions cooking up dirty tricks, and refuse to let the elected party govern.
    Hmm.
    Who was the party elected to govern when Clinton was impeached?

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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    all of the founding fathers were liberals, it was the Brits/Loyalists who were conservatives. and republicans didn't exist as a party at that time...
    Liberalism used to have a different definition.

    Doesn't matter what party they were from, what matters is ideology. Republicans are closer to the Founders, the Democrats closer to Marx.

    JFK wouldn't be a Democrat today.
    He'd be a Conservative Republican tax cutting warmonger.
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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    all of the founding fathers were liberals, it was the Brits/Loyalists who were conservatives. and republicans didn't exist as a party at that time...





    So the FF were for a nanny state?

    I think you fail on the comparison here.


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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So the FF were for a nanny state?

    I think you fail on the comparison here.
    granted, the new liberals have some flaws, but so do the new republicans...
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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    granted, the new liberals have some flaws, but so do the new republicans...




    Of course they do. That is why I am a Libertarian.


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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    They are a moderate wing right now..... McCain anyone?
    If you look at what's been happening, moderate Republicans are the ones that have been losing the congressional races lately. This isn't because of their ideology neccessarily, it's just that you're more likely to get a moderate in a state like New Hampshire or Rhode Island or Minnisota that is by nature more moderately balanced. Obviously, someone like Tom Coburn would never get elected in New England or the Upper Midwest in the first place, he's just too conservative. So when these wave elections happen, it's the moderates who usually lose, since there states are more likely to vote for a Democrat than the ones that usually elect the hard liners. So now, the Republican party is much more conservative than it was four years ago, due to most of the moderates being replaced.
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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes. Any tax on the poor to make their contributions to society more in line with their drain on society.
    Ridiculous. That is nothing more than a punitive attack on those who can least afford it. And it would generate almost NO revenue for the government, as the poor don't have much to tax in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Absent that, a war for national survival, but that tax would only be imposed after the unconstitutional spending programs are cancelled, and there's an awful lot of those.

    Outside of totally eliminating the military, what areas of federal spending do you wish eliminated?
    Uhh I don't support totally eliminating the military. Perhaps you have me confused with what you imagine liberals believe.

    Other areas of federal spending I'd like to see eliminated? The FDA. The FCC. The Department of Agriculture. Social security (although I'd like to see it phased out instead of eliminated).

    Those are just a few that I can think of off the top of my head. See, unlike you, I'm not an ideologue. I don't think government is always the solution, although you stupidly think it's always the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    The lesson of supply side economics is that since we're on the wrong side of the Laffer Curve, a tax decrease will stimulate the economy.
    Wow. There are so many misconceptions in that single sentence it's truly breathtaking.

    First of all, the Laffer Curve does not predict how much the economy will be stimulated. It predicts how much tax revenue will be generated. Theoretically ANY tax cut would stimulate the economy...assuming that the money was being thrown into a hole and set on fire. The Laffer Curve predicts how much REVENUE will be generated, nothing more.

    There is no evidence to support your conjecture that we're on the "wrong side" of the Laffer Curve. In fact, there's overwhelming evidence to the contrary. When Bush cut taxes, revenue dropped dramatically. Even when Reagan cut taxes (from a much higher starting point), revenue declined slightly. In all probability the maximum on the Laffer Curve fluctuates between 55-70%, and varies depending on the economic circumstances. That's not to say that we need a 55-70% income tax, but that is what would most likely generate the maximum revenue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Certainly the Obama scam of "stimulus" through porkbarrel spending that won't take effect for two years isn't going to do a thing.
    I agree. Which is why we should also be spending a lot on things that can take effect immediately: State bailouts, buying up bad debt from banks, infrastructure projects, expanding unemployment insurance, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    First, we drill our own oil and destroy the Russian economy, which is based on the petro-dollar, and that destroys the Iranian economy, too.
    That is beyond moronic. The United States simply doesn't have enough oil to "destroy the Russian and Iranian economies." Even if Alaska was another Saudi Arabia, we wouldn't have enough to destroy their economies.

    But putting all that aside, what do you suggest we do until all that oil starts pumping?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Then we ignore the Russian's demands we leave Poland alone, and deal with Poland as a sovereign nation.
    We already do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    There's really nothing to talk to Russia about, so no need to negotiate anything.
    Nothing to talk to Russia about??! Are you ****ing serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Asking for Russia's permission? That was the weakness demonstrated.

    Russia, with Obama's admission of weakness, didn't have any need to compromise. It was given the position of strength because Obama is working hard to eradicate Carter's reputation as the very worst and most ignorant foreign policy president we've ever had.

    His imbecilic letter to the Russians was a very long step in his Carter Rescue Aid Program, also known as Obama's foreign policy CRAP.
    So then let me pose the same question to you that I posed to bhkad: Are there any circumstances in which you would be willing to compromise and grant any concessions at all to any adversarial nations on any issue?
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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So in other words they act just like Democrats? Hmmm.
    I assume you are reacting to what you've been told on rightwing radio, because the facts tell a different story. Or maybe you're just part of the GOP project to rewrite history.

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