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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    As a registered Democrat, my post expressed a desire to see a Republican party that acts as an honorable competitor. Your reaction is to insult, then become bellicose. Conservatives seem dedicated to advance their ideology using bullying techniques and scorched earth policy. You will find that Democrats are not as passive as you might believe. If you insist on your destructive tactics, we will dog you to the end, then put a stake in your heart to make sure you are dead.
    This is brutally simple.

    Who is closer to what the Founders set as a basis for the rules of our government and society?

    Who defends the ideals with regularity?

    Hint: Republicans.

    Now:

    We acted like you and got smoked.
    We can only slow what you want to do.
    We do not agree with what you do.

    If I ridicule Democrats... well... I'm ridiculing someone I used to be.
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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I feel the question is fairly self explanatory. Should the Republican Party have a moderate wing in it? And why or why not?
    Most of the GOP is already moderate.

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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    The GOP has a moderate wing.

    Actually, the GOP is a moderate wing.

    It's why they can't win elections.

    Real Americans don't like pansies that can't stand for an ideal.

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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    As a registered Democrat, my post expressed a desire to see a Republican party that acts as an honorable competitor. Your reaction is to insult, then become bellicose.
    Interesting, in that you're describing the Dems reaction to the 2000/2002/2004 elections.

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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I noticed you didn't answer my question. Are there any realistic circumstances where you would ever support raising taxes?
    Yes. Any tax on the poor to make their contributions to society more in line with their drain on society.

    Absent that, a war for national survival, but that tax would only be imposed after the unconstitutional spending programs are cancelled, and there's an awful lot of those.

    Outside of totally eliminating the military, what areas of federal spending do you wish eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nope, the lesson to be learned is that since Reagan's tax cuts arguably stimulated the economy, ALL tax cuts must therefore stimulate the economy regardless of the circumstance.
    The lesson of supply side economics is that since we're on the wrong side of the Laffer Curve, a tax decrease will stimulate the economy.

    Certainly the Obama scam of "stimulus" through porkbarrel spending that won't take effect for two years isn't going to do a thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK then. Please define "negotiating from strength," and what President Bhkad would do to get us to that position, and how we should deal with our adversaries until we get there.
    Oh.

    First, we drill our own oil and destroy the Russian economy, which is based on the petro-dollar, and that destroys the Iranian economy, too.

    Then we ignore the Russian's demands we leave Poland alone, and deal with Poland as a sovereign nation.

    There's really nothing to talk to Russia about, so no need to negotiate anything.

    Asking for Russia's permission? That was the weakness demonstrated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It takes two to tango, buddy. You just ruled out compromise (i.e. "negotiating from weakness") and then accused Russia of being unwilling to compromise. Good thing you aren't president.
    Russia, with Obama's admission of weakness, didn't have any need to compromise. It was given the position of strength because Obama is working hard to eradicate Carter's reputation as the very worst and most ignorant foreign policy president we've ever had.

    His imbecilic letter to the Russians was a very long step in his Carter Rescue Aid Program, also known as Obama's foreign policy CRAP.

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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This is brutally simple.

    Who is closer to what the Founders set as a basis for the rules of our government and society?

    Who defends the ideals with regularity?

    Hint: Republicans.

    Now:

    We acted like you and got smoked.
    We can only slow what you want to do.
    We do not agree with what you do.

    If I ridicule Democrats... well... I'm ridiculing someone I used to be.
    Well intentioned but severely misguided.

    I have repented for my sins.
    You might too one day.

    It is liberating.
    all of the founding fathers were liberals, it was the Brits/Loyalists who were conservatives. and republicans didn't exist as a party at that time...
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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    This kind of goes with the discussion of Fusionism in another thread.

    I think Moderate Republicans are important to the party in general, and both parties really. No party is going to "get rid of" its extremists. Its just not going to happen, they're always going to be there. Likewise, I don't think either party will fully "get rid of" their Moderates. It may skew one way or another, but they'll always be there.

    And because they're there, they need the other. Have two parties too ruled over by moderates and you will begin to see both parties converging into one large convoluted center where no new ideas come out of and half-compromises that please very few but keep the majority of people apathetic to it is going to happen. Have two parties too ruled over by extremists and you'll have two parties so far to the end extremes that new ideas will never truly come to be because the ideas from both side are so far outside the norm. Neither of these things are good.

    Together, they temper each other to a point.

    I agree with the poster above, Will I think, on one point. We NEED two strong parties in this country (at least). I'm a staunch conservative and I believe conservative ideology will win out. I also believe this is a continually changing, shifting, and adapting world where we must routinely try to apply our principles to new positions. Having an opposition party that we can contrast against, see the mistakes in, and possibly able to point out where some of our ideas may be legitimately flawed, is needed for the movement and ideology to continue to grow and evolve. And the same goes for liberalism.

    The key to a moderate wing is that it can not become the dominant voice of the party. Having that happens is as dangerous as having an extremist voice as the dominant one of your party. One will put off and mute the turn out of your traditional base, the other will put off and mute the turn out of the general undecided middle.

    A moderate wing is needed within the party however to put a check on the extremists, and vise versa. Kicking either out is foolish.

    That does not mean that those who are more stuanchly or extremely to one side should not battle against the moderates. They should. And the moderates should battle back. However, it should be done respectfully, because its from that common ground that some kind of actual platform will be forged that gets all sections of the base on board while having a legitimate shot at bringing over the undecided middle.

    The interesting thing about the republican party and its current 4 ideological position split as detailed in the fushion thread is that each group has some views that are slightly more "moderate" or even liberal in view point. As such, this injects certain possible chances of moderate views into the Conservative movement at all times.
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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    all of the founding fathers were liberals
    They were Classical American Liberals.
    Today, most would be Libertarians. Some of them would be very rabidly so, and referred to by Modern American Liberals as 'right-wing extremists'.

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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This is brutally simple.

    Who is closer to what the Founders set as a basis for the rules of our government and society?

    Who defends the ideals with regularity?

    Hint: Republicans.
    If Republicans really acted this way, no one would complain. Instead, they obstruct, impeach, spend millions cooking up dirty tricks, and refuse to let the elected party govern.

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    Re: Should The GOP Have A Moderate Wing?

    The idealism of the GOP is no longer what it was. Now it is mostly the religious right fighting abortion and gay issues, the greedy lining their pockets at our expense, the hawks starting war to further line their pockets, and the tax cheats who demand lower taxes at the expense of the nation....
    each of them having for the most part a single issue that drives them.

    not to worry, I have complaints about the liberals as well....

    we were a well respected nation back in the days of 70% and higher tax rates for the very rich....
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