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    Re: Do you support a new ban on 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by EricLawrence View Post
    ...I think so.

    Here, here!!! I rest my case.

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    Re: Do you support a new ban on 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Akhil Reed Amar of Yale Law-a very liberal but honest scholar sort of says the same thing. However, for the collective need to be met, the individual right has to exist
    Sort of like a individual fish belongs to a school of fish? That makes sense...
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Do you support a new ban on 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    rights are never "collective".

    Groups never have more "rights" than any individual in them.

    Oh, and by the way, how many fingers fit into a trigger guard?
    Rights can be collective, a bunch of individual rights together...

    Oh, and by the way... are you trying to be cute about something?
    Who the **** cares and why are you asking?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Do you support a new ban on 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    You guys really, really misunderstand the Founding Fathers.
    No....not really.

    Someone does.

    Guess who?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    A militia in their eyes was not a neighborhood clan of guys with guns running to fight the tyrants of government. It was the right of each state to have a militia or national guard as the case presently is.
    Nope, not even close.

    The state national guards are adjuncts of the Standing Army, not militias in the sense used by the people that wrote and ratified the Second Amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    By allowing for this provision, the founders built in a security to states rights from the federal government they hesitantly created. But all of the good ol'boys envision the founders thinking of the 80's movie Red Dawn, where average people run to the streets to defeat the Reds!!!!
    You could try reading the Federalist Papers, sometime.

    try #28.

    "All candid and intelligent men must, upon due consideration, acknowledge that the principle of the objection is equally applicable to either of the two cases; and that whether we have one government for all the States, or different governments for different parcels of them, or even if there should be an entire separation of the States, there might sometimes be a necessity to make use of a force constituted differently from the militia, to preserve the peace of the community and to maintain the just authority of the laws against those violent invasions of them which amount to insurrections and rebellions. "

    "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."


    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Do you have the right to own a tank or a F-16? No, so you will not have equal force with your M16, will you?
    Tanks? Yes, I do have the right. Read the second Amendment sometime. It doesn't say "guns", it says "arms".

    Airplanes? The Constitution reserves the authority to issue letters of marque to Congress. One can thereby assume that it would extend reasonably to any concept of "air piracy" also.

    Having tanks and M16's would be sufficient to get the politicians back in line.
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 03-05-09 at 07:36 PM.

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    Re: Do you support a new ban on 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Tanks? Yes, I do have the right. Read the second Amendment sometime. It doesn't say "guns", it says "arms".

    We either have the right to any and all arms or not, this whole "arms" thing where it allows for some things and not for others...

    Just - Doesn't - Wash
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Do you support a new ban on 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Rights can be collective, a bunch of individual rights together...
    Nope.

    A thousand people can form a corporation to hire a single lawyer to represent them in court.

    Those thousand people, that corporation, that lawyer, have no more rights than any individual.

    Only one finger fits in the trigger guard, the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right.

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    Re: Do you support a new ban on 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nope.

    A thousand people can form a corporation to hire a single lawyer to represent them in court.

    Those thousand people, that corporation, that lawyer, have no more rights than any individual.

    Only one finger fits in the trigger guard, the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right.

    It is an individual right created to form a collective right. It is both, if anything...
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Do you support a new ban on 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is an individual right created to form a collective right. It is both, if anything...
    Just in case you missed....I said collective rights do not exist, and proved it.

    Name one "collective" right not possessed by an individual.

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    Re: Do you support a new ban on 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    We either have the right to any and all arms or not, this whole "arms" thing where it allows for some things and not for others...

    Just - Doesn't - Wash
    It's not supposed to wash, it's supposed to shoot.

    If you want to wash with your arms, go to the river with the other old ladies and find a clean flat rock.

    How'd you manage to get moderator status when you deliberately ignore the points made in a post and focus on a minor issue at the end merely to sound as if you responded to the post?
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 03-05-09 at 08:09 PM.

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    Re: Do you support a new ban on 'assault weapons'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Just in case you missed....I said collective rights do not exist, and proved it.

    Name one "collective" right not possessed by an individual.
    I didn't say that there were any... I think that you are extremely arrogant, and it is funny, abeit a bit sad.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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