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  • The definition of terrorist must be too broad.

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  • We must make more of certian elements considered terrorism.

    1 5.26%
  • We must fund more of classes like these.

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    Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    YouTube - FEMA Says Founding Fathers Are Terrorists

    So. Do you think that they could be considered terrorists? How much broader should the definition of terrorist be? Should we taxpayers be paying for classes that teach this?
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    The current government would 100% classify the founding fathers as terrorists.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The current government would 100% classify the founding fathers as terrorists. And the teacher should be kicked in the nuts repeatedly for the rest of his life.
    Perhaps you can display a couple of instances were "terror tactics" that were used against Tori's and civilians, or British Troops for that matter?
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Perhaps you can display a couple of instances were "terror tactics" that were used against Tori's and civilians, or British Troops for that matter?
    Boston Tea Party?
    Tar and Feathering?
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Boston Tea Party?
    Tar and Feathering?
    That is "Terrorism"?

    We must confine ourselves to the distinction between what we deem that word/term to mean and what they did back then.
    Even then, those are hardly acts of terrorism.

    A raid that resulted in the Boston Tea Party is analogous to any Special Forces raid.
    You are saying that all SpecOps missions are terrorist ones?

    Tar and feathering is analogous to the Scarlett Letter.
    Was that an act of terrorism?
    Also, Tar and Feathering was not an act of our government or the FFs,
    but of individual citizens acting out of their passion.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Perhaps you can display a couple of instances were "terror tactics" that were used against Tori's and civilians, or British Troops for that matter?
    I don't think the founders were terrorists, but I said that our current government would 100% label them as terrorists. First off, we did kinda fight dirty often. In so much that we didn't always follow the "rules" of war. We'd shoot from trees and cover and such. Things that are common sense now, but weren't "gentlemanly" back then. If a group of people rose up against our government today, what would our government call them? If the founders were alive today, most of them would probably be appalled by what we've done to the Republic. They may want to start again, what would our government say of these people?

    Terrorist. We use it for a lot now, the government loves the word. The government loves the control the word gives them, the fear it inspires amongst the People. Who's the real terrorist? Don't kid yourself, by what we use the word "terrorist" for these days; our founding fathers most certainly apply.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think the founders were terrorists, but I said that our current government would 100% label them as terrorists. First off, we did kinda fight dirty often. In so much that we didn't always follow the "rules" of war. We'd shoot from trees and cover and such. Things that are common sense now, but weren't "gentlemanly" back then. If a group of people rose up against our government today, what would our government call them? If the founders were alive today, most of them would probably be appalled by what we've done to the Republic. They may want to start again, what would our government say of these people?

    Terrorist. We use it for a lot now, the government loves the word. The government loves the control the word gives them, the fear it inspires amongst the People. Who's the real terrorist? Don't kid yourself, by what we use the word "terrorist" for these days; our founding fathers most certainly apply.
    Would our government today condemn them for less than we do now? Heck no.
    Call up the White House and get an official position statement.

    Would the British have considered them Ungentlemanly? Without Honor? Rebel Scum? Sure, I would agree to some of that.

    Terrorists? Nope. There is only one or two instances that I found that the FF, the government, or the civilians followed any prescribed course of "terror" and it was not against the British, it was against the Indians.

    Also, except for some militia actions here and there, the government led troops and militia that fought the British did so with honor and by the rules of a gentlemens war, following all rules of conduct and honor.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Looks like a very effective class discussion to me. An integral part of learning and education is to be open minded and look at things objectively, critically when needs be. Or would it be better that we are all closed minded lemmings that cannot be critical of the past, present or future?

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Looks like a very effective class discussion to me. An integral part of learning and education is to be open minded and look at things objectively, critically when needs be. Or would it be better that we are all closed minded lemmings that cannot be critical of the past, present or future?
    That's right. There is nothing wrong with asking difficult questions or pushing students to think about uncomfortable subject matter.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    YouTube - FEMA Says Founding Fathers Are Terrorists

    So. Do you think that they could be considered terrorists? How much broader should the definition of terrorist be? Should we taxpayers be paying for classes that teach this?
    The only people who would compare homicidal maniacs who murder innocent civilians in order to achieve a brutal theocratic oppressive regime to our founding forefathers are usually either euro trash or anti-American scum. Tax payers should not be funding classes like these.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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