View Poll Results: Founding Fathers. Terrorists?

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  • Yes. Terrorists.

    4 21.05%
  • Nope. Heros.

    14 73.68%
  • The definition of terrorist must be too broad.

    3 15.79%
  • We must make more of certian elements considered terrorism.

    1 5.26%
  • We must fund more of classes like these.

    1 5.26%
  • Why are taxpayers funding this?

    7 36.84%
  • I like pork but not pork biproducts.

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Thread: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Terrorists are in the eye of the beholder, and to King George, the founding fathers were terrorists.
    What an absurd notion; terrorists target civilians, children and women. Terrorists target places of religion, schools and markets where people gather in large groups.

    The notion that the Colonists where in the same category is absurd; they didn't target civilians, they targeted the Red Coat troops of the British Empire.

    It's not JUST in the eye of the beholder; documents from the time never describe anyone as a terrorist, but rather revolutionaries who attempted to negotiate as a Governing authority before they resorted to arms.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Intention doesn't bring the innocent back.
    In law, if you contribute to a crime that ends up with the death of a victim, you are just as guilty as the person who committed the act. If Law enforcement accidentally kill and innocent bystander attempting to bring in a criminal or stopping a crime in commission, we don't prosecute the police officers, we blame the death on the person committing the crime.

    Yet in the war against terrorists who deliberately target civilians and hide amongst them for the express purpose of collateral damage in order to promote their propaganda (which for some odd reason Liberals seem to be the ones most susceptible to it), people leave their good sense behind and blame the legitimate authority who attempts at great cost to avoid such loss.

    Most of the time this is a Liberal denial that attempts to blame Israel or the USA for the deaths of civilians no matter what efforts are made to avoid it and never blame the people who caused it in the first place; the terrorists.

    This illogical thinking can only be expressed by those who think these thugs and murderers somehow have a legitimate claim; but most with a brain know they do not.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The firebombing of Tokyo was specifically aimed at civilian casualties. In fact, they even had people work out the proper drop pattern in order to find the least amount of fuel for maximum amount of damage. The point was to demonstrate our might and make them hurt so much that they'd pull out of the war.
    So you cannot bring yourself to distinguish all out war and terrorism; interesting, but absurd and trite.

    I hear the same absurd argument from Germans who now whine about the bombing of Dresden late in the war; my response was; "I guess nations shouldn't start global wars eh?"

    Why do you even attempt to bring in events of war in the absurd premise of a thread suggesting that the founders of the US were terrorists?

    I have been reading your responses and there is little logic in your desperation to suggest that the REAL enemy is the Government trying to define down what a terrorist is so that they can take over your brain. Good lord, you have one seriously whacked out view, but at least it is consistent.

    I donít like what the Government is currently doing, but it surely beats the chaos of your views.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ... if you were to bring up how the US terrorized and murdered Native Americans, it would be just as irrelevant as as the WWII analogy.
    Actually, I believe this would be a far better analogy than Ikariís use of wartime bombings because it is true. Our Government and military did conduct a terror campaign against Native Americans in order to remove them from their lands or provoke them into a war they could not win. It is a dark period in our history much like slavery was.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by George VI View Post
    Weren't the Founding Fathers much like the IRA?

    If you look carefully, you too could find similarities. Bombing cities, people and using violence to achieve their aims.
    The revolutionaries bombed cities and people? What history have you been reading? There isn't anything in the Revolutionary war that can be considered remotely similar to terrorists and their targets.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What an absurd notion; terrorists target civilians, children and women. Terrorists target places of religion, schools and markets where people gather in large groups.
    You would think so, wouldn't you? I know I used to.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This is the FBI flier that at one point was circulating around about who a terrorist is.

    Defenders of the U.S. Constitution are considered terrorists.


    http://www.keepandbeararms.com/image...lyer-Front.jpg

    http://www.keepandbeararms.com/image...Flyer-Back.jpg
    This is a fake flyer; I am hoping you posted it as a joke and not taking this crapola serious right?

    Want proof? Try to call all the numbers on this flyer; they are all fake. I thought I would try it for the fun of it.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    -- --


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    -- Not true at all...

    "[b]The American colonists won their first victory over Parliament when the Stamp Act was repealed in early 1766 --
    I'll give you this..

    "The threats of violence by which the Sons of Liberty exercised authority in America were transformed by three thousand miles of ocean into an impertinence, and with Parliament, which had dealt with mobs before, replied to the challenge of cramming stamps down American throats. When the Sons of Liberty heard this, they knew that they might have to fight for their rights not against a few helpless stamp distributors, but against the British Army."

    I've been through this with Aquapub -

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057924367-post396.html

    - and various others who cannot believe SOME of the founding fathers used terror against civilian stamp collectors - maybe it's worth going over some of the ground I covered there and you may wish to use some of the American history books that I suggested he read too.

    I'll be here when you get back.


    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What an absurd notion; terrorists target civilians, children and women.
    Careful what you say..

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    --The notion that the Colonists where in the same category is absurd; they didn't target civilians, they targeted the Red Coat troops of the British Empire --
    Many of the stamp collectors were colonists, born and bred. You have read about the warning given by the Sons of Liberty when they spoke in New York. Fairly straightforward and easy to understand threat against civilian targets I'm afraid. I'll see if you can find it - if not, I'll happily post a link for you.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This is a fake flyer; I am hoping you posted it as a joke and not taking this crapola serious right?

    Want proof? Try to call all the numbers on this flyer; they are all fake. I thought I would try it for the fun of it.
    I was published from around the time the Clinton administration was around.

    Those could have changed by now.

    I've seen it on several places.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I was published from around the time the Clinton administration was around.

    Those could have changed by now.

    I've seen it on several places.
    It's a fake. Carry on.

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