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  • Yes. Terrorists.

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  • Nope. Heros.

    14 73.68%
  • The definition of terrorist must be too broad.

    3 15.79%
  • We must make more of certian elements considered terrorism.

    1 5.26%
  • We must fund more of classes like these.

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  • Why are taxpayers funding this?

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Thread: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Oh they do. Go outside and yell at someone. You may get arrested for making terroristic threats and get booked on a felony charge and be considered a terrorist. Or maybe it's only the lucky ones they actually arrest and charge.
    I just did and it looks like I am facing a Drunk and Disorderly...
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think if those things were done now, you'd find that probably at least Waco would be deemed acts of terrorism particularly through the use of trumped up weapons charges. Ruby Ridge, well there was no violence against the government; there was violence on behalf of the government but not towards. They'd find it hard to call defiance of the IRS an act of terrorism, but who knows; maybe a standoff would warrant an act of terrorism. Hell these days kids can commit acts of terrorism by filling a 2-L bottle with aluminum foil and Drain-O.
    I hear you... but it appears that you feel that this conversation has run its course.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    The United States has defined terrorism under the Federal Criminal Code. Chapter 113B of Part I of Title 18 of the United States Code defines terrorism and lists the crimes associated with terrorism.[25] In Section 2331 of Chapter 113b, terrorism is defined as:

    …activities that involve violent… or life-threatening acts… that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State and… appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and… (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States… [or]… (C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States…"
    Good thing our founding fathers were not in violation of the criminal laws of the United States, or of any state.

    And yes this definition is inadequate and poorly applied at times, especially (i).

    This part is very amusing:

    Edward Peck, former U.S. Chief of Mission in Iraq (under Jimmy Carter) and ambassador to Mauritania:

    In 1985, when I was the Deputy Director of the Reagan White House Task Force on Terrorism, they asked us — this is a Cabinet Task Force on Terrorism; I was the Deputy Director of the working group — they asked us to come up with a definition of terrorism that could be used throughout the government. We produced about six, and each and every case, they were rejected, because careful reading would indicate that our own country had been involved in some of those activities
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    I was wondering another thing. Are cops that beat or electrocute someone into submission terrorists?
    Hrm.... I just had an idea.... How do you submit someone as a terrorist and do you remember Paul Schene the King County Sheriff that likes to beat little girls into submission?
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I just did and it looks like I am facing a Drunk and Disorderly...
    Lucky for you. I am praying we can get the charges dropped to at least that. It's just the term "terrorist"- it's scary and it should really be applied only when it's true. I have learned firsthand how true that really is.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So. Do you think that they could be considered terrorists? How much broader should the definition of terrorist be? Should we taxpayers be paying for classes that teach this?
    What is the point of calling the founders of the greatest nation for freedom and rights on earth terrorists? This stuff happened over 200 years ago so I am at a loss of what this moron in this classroom is attempting to illustrate.

    Taxpayers should NOT be paying for idiotic sermons like this (although I had a hard time hearing what the deviant was saying).

    Is there not a difference between a society attempting to throw off tyranny of a Government thousands of miles away and what the typical terrorist goals are which is merely to foment chaos and destroy representative Government?

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    If the powers that be are going to broaden and use anti-terrorists against non-terrorists then the people need to find a way to the same access to the power and make sure to exercise it on those who think it was so clever to implement in this fashion.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am at a loss of what this moron in this classroom is attempting to illustrate.


    Is there not a difference between a society attempting to throw off tyranny of a Government thousands of miles away and what the typical terrorist goals are which is merely to foment chaos and destroy representative Government?

    So you are NOT really at a loss for what this "moron" is attempting to illustrate.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I hear you... but it appears that you feel that this conversation has run its course.
    I wouldn't say that. I would like people to understand that a lot of things we like to call terrorism is not terrorism. The Founders were not terrorists, Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc were not terrorists. Timothy McVeigh was not a terrorist, he was out of his ever loving mind, but not a terrorist. Federal buildings are fair game if your looking to jump start a revolution; which was what he was doing. Also, he wasn't trying to inspire fear or purposefully targeting civilians. His aim was to blow up a federal building because he thought the tyranny and treason of the government had gone far enough as to warrant revolution. We go crazy with this term because of the emotion and imagery it pulls up; but it's not always accurate. If you engaged in the acts the Founders did today, you'd better believe you'd be considered a terrorist and charged with acts of terrorism. It's our buzz word, it's what the government uses to justify it's growth.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    So you are NOT really at a loss for what this "moron" is attempting to illustrate.
    Yes I am; why don't you explain to me what his purpose is.

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