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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Looks like a very effective class discussion to me. An integral part of learning and education is to be open minded and look at things objectively, critically when needs be. Or would it be better that we are all closed minded lemmings that cannot be critical of the past, present or future?
    Listen to the way he brainwashes his students into not making any choices. He draws so many lines and then says they people who are against you don't see their own problem and you are right. The lecturer could take a lesson from your words actually.

    And of course when the government takes your rights people are going to cry "What would the founding fathers thing?!" and this mans lecture will be the only thing that guides their action. The course he took their mind on.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Would our government today condemn them for less than we do now? Heck no.
    Call up the White House and get an official position statement.

    Would the British have considered them Ungentlemanly? Without Honor? Rebel Scum? Sure, I would agree to some of that.

    Terrorists? Nope. There is only one or two instances that I found that the FF, the government, or the civilians followed any prescribed course of "terror" and it was not against the British, it was against the Indians.

    Also, except for some militia actions here and there, the government led troops and militia that fought the British did so with honor and by the rules of a gentlemens war, following all rules of conduct and honor.
    ...call up the White House...yeah right. They'll be honest with me

    The facts remain, we call anything that is a "threat" to the government a terrorist. I guarantee you that if you started a revolution to overthrow the government, you 100% would be called a terrorist. The term is well misused these days because of the fear and emotion it calls up. The government know this and uses this. The founding fathers would be called terrorists by our government today. They'd [founding fathers] would probably be calling for its overthrow too.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Listen to the way he brainwashes his students into not making any choices. He draws so many lines and then says they people who are against you don't see their own problem and you are right. The lecturer could take a lesson from your words actually.

    And of course when the government takes your rights people are going to cry "What would the founding fathers thing?!" and this mans lecture will be the only thing that guides their action. The course he took their mind on.
    He "brainwashes" them!

    OMG, I missed that whole thing...
    Could you point that out again.

    Listen, haven't you ever listened to a person say something that you didn't agree with and make sweeping comments about how you are this or that if you don't agree with them? Jeez, relax. I had teachers like this and I sat back and thought about how full of **** they were, didn't change my opinion in the slightest. In fact, it opened my eyes regarding human nature...
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The current government would 100% classify the founding fathers as terrorists.
    They already do classify people like that as possible domestic terrorists.

    I saw an FBI pamphlet telling people to report individuals that they consider
    extreme right wing or "super patriots".

    When I get back from work I'll try to find the link.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Listen to the way he brainwashes his students into not making any choices. He draws so many lines and then says they people who are against you don't see their own problem and you are right. The lecturer could take a lesson from your words actually.

    Well this clip is only a portion of the discussion, but the founding fathers does not appear to come up until a student volunteers it. I see no prompting from the lecturer for this response, only agreement afterwards. Prior to it they were talking about christians.

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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ...call up the White House...yeah right. They'll be honest with me
    It was a joke...


    The facts remain, we call anything that is a "threat" to the government a terrorist.
    Incorrect...


    I guarantee you that if you started a revolution to overthrow the government, you 100% would be called a terrorist.
    Trying to overthrow the government is not just, "anything".
    That being said, if there was popular support, who cares what the government, your enemy, would label it.


    The term is well misused these days because of the fear and emotion it calls up.
    Then inform people of that and let the rest of this go...



    The government know this and uses this.
    And most people know this too... Just start asking around, I did.



    1. The founding fathers would be called terrorists by our government today.
    2. They'd [founding fathers] would probably be calling for its overthrow too.

    I disagree completely on both accounts.

    1. The government doesn't call anybody in America terrorists, as far as I can tell. Waco and Ruby Ridge? Not terrorists. Crazy militant back woodsmen? Not terrorists. Just whackos...

    A bunch of well educated aristocratic gentlemen writing legal documents calling for a radical change in government for the betterment of man? Not terrorists...

    2. They were pretty smart guys that developed an evolving Constitution and would see the way the world is, and how our government responded to various situations and probably congratulate themselves on creating such a ****ing amazing document in the first place.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ...call up the White House...yeah right. They'll be honest with me

    The facts remain, we call anything that is a "threat" to the government a terrorist. I guarantee you that if you started a revolution to overthrow the government, you 100% would be called a terrorist. The term is well misused these days because of the fear and emotion it calls up
    . The government know this and uses this. The founding fathers would be called terrorists by our government today. They'd [founding fathers] would probably be calling for its overthrow too.

    Yes, considering how even going outside and cussing at your neighbors is considered making terroristic threats and makes you a terrorist. So yeah, by our messed up government considering the most b.s. things terroristic, I would have to agree with you.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I disagree completely on both accounts.

    1. The government doesn't call anybody in America terrorists, as far as I can tell. Waco and Ruby Ridge? Not terrorists. Crazy militant back woodsmen? Not terrorists. Just whackos...

    Oh they do. Go outside and yell at someone. You may get arrested for making terroristic threats and get booked on a felony charge and be considered a terrorist. Or maybe it's only the lucky ones they actually arrest and charge.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    I think if those things were done now, you'd find that probably at least Waco would be deemed acts of terrorism particularly through the use of trumped up weapons charges. Ruby Ridge, well there was no violence against the government; there was violence on behalf of the government but not towards. They'd find it hard to call defiance of the IRS an act of terrorism, but who knows; maybe a standoff would warrant an act of terrorism. Hell these days kids can commit acts of terrorism by filling a 2-L bottle with aluminum foil and Drain-O.
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    Re: Founding Fathers of America. Terrorists?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Oh they do. Go outside and yell at someone. You may get arrested for making terroristic threats and get booked on a felony charge and be considered a terrorist. Or maybe it's only the lucky ones they actually arrest and charge.
    Rush Limbaugh was getting pretty loud in his last speech.... TERRORIST!
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