View Poll Results: how are family values today compared to yesterday?

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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yeah! They go into marriage to easily and fast, really enthusiastic about it, and finds out a few months later that they argue, and then they get divorced. WEAK, people are WEAK COWARDS.
    Jeez... don't oversimplify and devalue good people because of complicated issues please.
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    Re: Family Values

    Materialism is killing more marriages than anything else. So many people anymore just have to have that bigger house, more expensive car, more expensive clothes and so on. Used to, the average house was around 1200 to 1500 square feet, 3 bedrooms, and at best 2 baths. People would raise 3 or 4 kids out of a house that size. To many married couples now a house like that is simply a starter home, and as soon as they decide to start having kids they end up trading up to some huge cookie cutter with 2500 plus square feet, 5 bedrooms, 3 or more baths, and a walk out basement - all that for an average of 2 kids.

    So what do they do with all that space, well they paint the walls all the same bland variations of off white to beige, fill it up with a bunch of dull furniture that looks like the same stuff all their friends have (bought on credit of course), put a TV in every room, and all of them spend their time apart in different parts of the house. Family activities for them consist of weekly soccer practice. They seldom sit down to the table and eat together. They never build that essential friendship with the kids, and they are always chasing that next material item thats going to make them feel good again. When you get down to it, its kind of hard for a family of 4 to maintain a close relationship in a 3000 sq foot cookie cutter home.

    So then, with all that mountain of debt, someone looses their job and there you go, the debt piles up, the bubble bursts and the selfish parents divorce.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    This switch marked the end of the GOP as a fiscally conservative entity and morphed it into the liberal entity it is today.

    This is why the two parties are no longer any different in my way of viewing things, because the Southern Democrats shifted parties for retarded reasons.

    They did not give up the ideals that made them democrats in the first place, they only shifted names over social "conservativism".

    IMO, this marked the decline of the GOP as a conservative entity. And Roe v. Wade was the death blow to small governemnt conservativism in American politics because social issues gained primacy in the GOP as opposed to fiscal issues.

    They support big govenremtn in socially "conservative" ways.

    This is why there is no Goldwater in the party anymore. He'd be labelled as a "librul" nowadays because of his social views.
    Roe V. Wade was the death blow to small government conservatism? I would have thought the Civil war(which according to conservatives was about states rights), Women's right to vote, The Civil rights movement and it's affiliates were all clearly more damaging then women being allowed to have abortions. Calling Roe V. Wade the death blow is like ignoring that a boxer takes a beating in 9 rounds and then suddenly faints on the 10th.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    What do you believe have caused family values in america to deteriorate?

    Or perhapse you believe they are the same as always or even better than yesteryear?

    Are americans more selfish making family bonding, marriage and children come second?
    I don't see how they would change in a days time.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Jeez... don't oversimplify and devalue good people because of complicated issues please.
    Many people are just weak and give up too fast. Not only marriage.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Many people are just weak and give up too fast. Not only marriage.

    Many people also stay in marriages too long, and that can be to the detriment of the kids and family as well.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't see how they would change in a days time.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057944445-post74.html

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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Many people also stay in marriages too long, and that can be to the detriment of the kids and family as well.
    There is a lot of rotten things about our society, impossible to change all of them. The shame is that most people dont even care or want them to change.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    There is a lot of rotten things about our society, impossible to change all of them. The shame is that most people dont even care or want them to change.
    Most people are simply too busy trying to survive day to day...
    others get caught up in their own little worlds and don't see the big picture.

    And really, how do you, an individual, change the big picture?
    That is a daunting task, and very few ever make such an impact...
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron
    Obviously those within the relationship have the power to harm the relationship the most. This is hardly a revolutionary observation.

    However, making divorce easier only harms the “traditional values” originally brought into question by this thread. Marriage was intended as a permanent relationship “until death do we part” that was intended to transcend the good times and bad times that couples will inevitably go through during the course of a lifetime.
    it has to be up to the couple to maintain that commitment.

    government interference in the form of making divorce unnecessarily difficult won't make people love each other more, nor will it make them more committed to each other.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron
    I suppose I could point out that people also tend to stay together due to tough economic times but what would that do to your theory then?
    people get married for money, and they stay together in unhappy relationships for money. this is hardly new. is this supposed to be an example of family values?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron
    at the end of the day, love is a choice not an emotion. And those who "choose" to abandon the commitment to their marriage only end up harming their spouses, children, et al.
    I wont argue against that point.

    my argument is that making divorce more difficult does not solve the root problem, and makes the consequences of it more severe.

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