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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I think people end relationships today for some stupid reasons. Second marriages tend to work out better not because the people pick better partners but because the people finally grow up enough to know their issues follow them into new relationships so they might as well get to work on working on them.
    Yeah! They go into marriage to easily and fast, really enthusiastic about it, and finds out a few months later that they argue, and then they get divorced. WEAK, people are WEAK COWARDS.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Are you aware that the biggest obstacle to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was Democrats? No, of course you don't, because that would require some kind of historical knowledge and objectivity.
    Do you believe that Democrat = Liberal and Conservative = Republican? NCFY makes absolutely no mention of party lines. Read his post. If anything you have LESS of a leg to stand on by mentioning the racist past of the Democratic party seeing as how a lot of those who opposed segregation within the Democratic party switched to Republicans due mostly to the Democrat's support for civil rights in the 60s and 70s. That you don't seem to know of this political shift says loads :

    Jesse Helms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Helms was an outspoken conservative who opposed many progressive policies regarding race such as school integration, the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.[7][8][6] Helms also reminded voters that he tried, with a 16-day filibuster, to stop the Senate from approving a national holiday to honor black civil-rights leader, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.[9][10][11] Helms was also a "master obstructionist", a fierce "anti-intellectual, and a self-described "redneck" who relished his nickname, “Senator No”.[7][12][9] He opposed, at various times, civil rights, feminism, gay rights, affirmative action, tax increases, abortion, foreign aid, communism, and government support for modern art with nudity.
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    He also ran for the Presidency of the United States in 1948 as the segregationist States Rights Democratic Party (Dixiecrat) candidate, receiving 2.4% of the popular vote and 39 electoral votes. Thurmond later represented South Carolina in the United States Senate from 1954 to April 1956 and November 1956 to 2003, at first as a Democrat and after 1964 as a Republican, switching parties as the conservative base shifted.
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    From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[3]
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    Solid South refers to the electoral support of the Southern United States for the Democratic Party candidates for nearly a century from 1877, the end of the Reconstruction, to 1964, during the middle of the Civil Rights era.

    Democrats won by large margins in the South in every presidential election from 1876 to 1948 except for 1928, when candidate Al Smith, a Catholic and a New Yorker, ran on the Democratic ticket; even in that election, the divided South provided Smith with nearly three-fourths of his electoral votes. Beginning in about 1950, the national Democratic Party's support of the civil rights movement significantly reduced Southern support for the Democratic Party and allowed the Republican Party to make gains in the South by way of its "Southern strategy". Today, the South is considered a stronghold of the Republican Party. Political scientists have often cited a southernization of politics following the fall of the Solid South.
    In the 1960 election, the Democratic nominee, John F. Kennedy, continued his party's tradition of selecting a Southerner as the vice presidential candidate (in this case, Senator Lyndon B. Johnson of Texas). Kennedy, however, supported civil rights. In October 1960, when Martin Luther King, Jr. was arrested at a peaceful sit-in in Atlanta, Georgia, Kennedy placed a sympathetic phone call to King's wife, Coretta Scott King, and Robert Kennedy helped secure King's release. King expressed his appreciation for these calls. Although King himself made no endorsement, his father, who had previously endorsed Republican Richard Nixon, switched his support to Kennedy.

    Due to these and other events, the Democrats lost ground with white voters in the South. The 1960 election was the first in which a Republican presidential candidate received electoral votes in the South while losing nationally. Nixon carried Virginia, Tennessee, and Florida. In addition, slates of unpledged electors, representing Democratic segregationists, won the election in Mississippi and Alabama.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you believe that Democrat = Liberal and Conservative = Republican? NCFY makes absolutely no mention of party lines. Read his post.
    As an example, Howard Smith, Chairman of the United States House Committee on Rules, which directed the flow of legislation to the House floor, did everything in his power to prevent the Civil Rights Act of 1964 from being voted upon. He was a Democrat...and a leader of the Conservative coalition.

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    The idea that southern Democrats of that era were liberals is a fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As an example, Howard Smith, Chairman of the United States House Committee on Rules, which directed the flow of legislation to the House floor, did everything in his power to prevent the Civil Rights Act of 1964 from being voted upon. He was a Democrat...and a leader of the Conservative coalition.

    Howard W. Smith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The idea that southern Democrats of that era were liberals is a fallacy.
    Not only that but the idea that there would be a liberal majority of any kind opposing the civil rights movement in the South is a fallacy. It is a red herring to throw out the Democrats racist past in this discussion. Simply put the conditions 60 or even 50 years ago were not there. Liberals thrive in large cities. How many large cities were there in the South 50 years ago? Houston? Miami? What else? And even then these cities were **** kicker towns compared to NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago and other major cities further North. The South 60 years ago was run by a white majority that while Democrat shared absolutely nothing with Liberals as far as political ideas went. I don't care if people say that Democrats have a racist past. I don't deny it. However implying that what a political party did is representative of a political state of mind/lean it had no relation to at the time is purely dishonest.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not only that but the idea that there would be a liberal majority of any kind opposing the civil rights movement in the South is a fallacy. It is a red herring to throw out the Democrats racist past in this discussion. Simply put the conditions 60 or even 50 years ago were not there. Liberals thrive in large cities. How many large cities were there in the South 50 years ago? Houston? Miami? What else? And even then these cities were **** kicker towns compared to NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago and other major cities at the time. The South 60 years ago was run by a white majority that while Democrat shared absolutely nothing with Liberals as far as political ideas went.
    Red herring is right. Most of the southern Democrats of the time were conservative as heck...as were many white southerners, or, at least many non-urban white southerners. After the Civil Rights Act of 1964, many of these conservative Democrats switched parties and became Republican...or at the very least, supported conservative/Republican policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Red herring is right. Most of the southern Democrats of the time were conservative as heck...as were many white southerners, or, at least many non-urban white southerners. After the Civil Rights Act of 1964, many of these conservative Democrats switched parties and became Republican...or at the very least, supported conservative/Republican policies.
    I really don't get why people seem to ignore this when talking about Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives and Liberals. I think to some extent they think the terms are interchangeable. You know, using Liberal when you mean Democrat and Conservative when you mean Republican. But this REALLY doesn't apply if you go back even 40 years ago. To me a liberal is somebody who seeks to change the status quo while a conservative seeks for it to remain. This doesn't say anything about the political affiliation or even whether or not their position is right or wrong but the role they play in the game.

    NCFY is in my opinion completely right(though maybe he could have said it differently) in saying that if we'd followed the advice of conservatives(those who seek for the status quo to remain) then we wouldn't have a lot of the freedoms and rights we have today. From civil rights to birth control. The MAIN opposition to these things has always been from those who wished for the status quo to remain ie. Conservatives. Whether these conservatives were Republican or Democrat is pretty much irrelevant.

    But if they wish to bring party affiliations into the discussion then let them. I love bringing up the political race based shift that occurred in the 50s, 60s and 70s between the parties.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Red herring is right. Most of the southern Democrats of the time were conservative as heck...as were many white southerners, or, at least many non-urban white southerners. After the Civil Rights Act of 1964, many of these conservative Democrats switched parties and became Republican...or at the very least, supported conservative/Republican policies.


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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Red herring is right. Most of the southern Democrats of the time were conservative as heck...as were many white southerners, or, at least many non-urban white southerners. After the Civil Rights Act of 1964, many of these conservative Democrats switched parties and became Republican...or at the very least, supported conservative/Republican policies.
    This switch marked the end of the GOP as a fiscally conservative entity and morphed it into the liberal entity it is today.

    This is why the two parties are no longer any different in my way of viewing things, because the Southern Democrats shifted parties for retarded reasons.

    They did not give up the ideals that made them democrats in the first place, they only shifted names over social "conservativism".

    IMO, this marked the decline of the GOP as a conservative entity. And Roe v. Wade was the death blow to small governemnt conservativism in American politics because social issues gained primacy in the GOP as opposed to fiscal issues.

    They support big govenremtn in socially "conservative" ways.

    This is why there is no Goldwater in the party anymore. He'd be labelled as a "librul" nowadays because of his social views.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    This switch marked the end of the GOP as a fiscally conservative entity and morphed it into the liberal entity it is today.

    This is why the two parties are no longer any different in my way of viewing things, because the Southern Democrats shifted parties for retarded reasons.

    They did not give up the ideals that made them democrats in the first place, they only shifted names over social "conservativism".

    IMO, this marked the decline of the GOP as a conservative entity. And Roe v. Wade was the death blow to small governemnt conservativism in American politics because social issues gained primacy in the GOP as opposed to fiscal issues.

    They support big govenremtn in socially "conservative" ways.

    This is why there is no Goldwater in the party anymore. He'd be labelled as a "librul" nowadays because of his social views.
    I agree. While Captain is right that the "democrats" switched into the "republican" party, the did not represent conservative values. So prehaps it is erroneuos to say "liberals" supported segregation, but it is equally erroneous to say "conservatives" supported segregation. Conservatism at its core has nothing to do with segregation, or trying to stamp out womens rights.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    -- That said though - nobody has power over whether or not a dad abandons his kids but dad. I realize the courts are more female friendly but just because maintaining a working relationship with ones child is difficult doesn't mean it's ok to just quit.
    It's not as easy as that I'm afraid.

    Court proceedings in countries where lawyers and judges get involved can be very time consuming and antagonism is a profitable thing for the lawyers.

    For many fathers who've managed to keep contact going despite hostility and alienation syndrome by the mother you will find dozens if not more more fathers who have given up the fight. It's not about being a good dad or even being able to fight - it's about being patient and determined to keep fighting to see your kids.

    Even where a father might keep fighting, if his kids are alienated against him or they learn to call someone else "dad" then the odds are against. Many fathers eventually stop trying and instead wait for the children to become adults who have their own minds and can search out the father and hear their side of the story.

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