View Poll Results: how are family values today compared to yesterday?

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    9 33.33%
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    Re: Family Values

    You want to be Gran Torino?
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Family Values

    Women started surviving childbirth.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    God I loathe the conservative myth of the superior morality of yesterday.

    Segregation, women's domestic enslavement, the entire world with electricity being divided into two camps who were always five minutes away from obliterating each other, etc.

    No, things were not better.

    They're better now because of liberals.

    If we did what conservatives want we'd still be living in caves.
    You'll have to explain how conservatives are responsible for domestic enslavement, not ending the cold war, and segregation. Hell, liberals are the reason there is a "Parental Adivsory" sticker on CDs. It was Tipper Gores PMCA that started all that garbage, and there were hearings about music by the democratic lead Congress over the issue in the 80s.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    You want to be Gran Torino?
    By the time I get to that age, I won't be allowed to have a gun
    "Loyalty only matters when there's a hundred reasons not to be-" Gen. Mattis

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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    You'll have to explain how conservatives are responsible for domestic enslavement, not ending the cold war, and segregation. Hell, liberals are the reason there is a "Parental Adivsory" sticker on CDs. It was Tipper Gores PMCA that started all that garbage, and there were hearings about music by the democratic lead Congress over the issue in the 80s.
    women's liberation and civil rights were liberal movements, they were opposed by the right.

    and the right-wing was always more hawkish about the coldwar.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    women's liberation and civil rights were liberal movements, they were opposed by the right.

    and the right-wing was always more hawkish about the coldwar.
    You might want to check the civil rights movement histories. Womens lib, I didn't realize anybody opposed it. Certainley troops weren't called in to stop bra burnings. Although I am sure they would have shown up....

    And the result of the Cold War is what matters.
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    Re: Family Values

    are you kidding? rightwing pundits today are still mad about the "collapse of the family" because of the increased independence of women

    I really don't see how American society was in anyway more moral in 1950 then it is today. I think it was a sick and repulsive society built on chauvinism, racism, ignorance and violence.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    are you kidding? rightwing pundits today are still mad about the "collapse of the family" because of the increased independence of women

    I really don't see how American society was in anyway more moral in 1950 then it is today. I think it was a sick and repulsive society built on chauvinism, racism, ignorance and violence.
    Well I am not a huge follower of right-wing pundits, but what little I have heard, I've never heard them denigrate womens independence, i.e. "Because women have jobs, families are ruined". I suppose as a liberal you regularly follow right-wing pundits and listen to their shows? I suppose I have heard some derogatory comments towards rabid feminists, and that could be construed as being against womens independence, but if thats so, sign me up. There are simply a few women that want to replace men, in the power structure of our society, rather than be equal with them.

    I don't think we were more moral in the 50's than we are now either. I agree that the chauvanism, racism and ignorance were worse back then. But it was a societal thing, not a liberal or conservative thing. Progress has been made on all those fronts by both movements. I already mentioned what I thought the one alarming trend was, and it has nothing to do with any moral superiority codes. Rather my look back to yesteryear for something that was better than now, was the adult responsibilites the youth of those days were able to take on and overcome. Something I think even my generation is incapable of, as a whole.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    women's liberation and civil rights were liberal movements, they were opposed by the right.

    and the right-wing was always more hawkish about the coldwar.
    Conservatives were not against the Civil Rights Movement... Racists were, get it straight.
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    Re: Family Values

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    are you kidding? rightwing pundits today are still mad about the "collapse of the family" because of the increased independence of women

    I really don't see how American society was in anyway more moral in 1950 then it is today. I think it was a sick and repulsive society built on chauvinism, racism, ignorance and violence.
    I think it's bs to attempt to paint morals as liberal or conservative. It was liberals who wanted Palin back in the kitchen and it was liberals that made nasty comments about how she couldn't be VP when she had so many kids to take care of. It was also liberals who tore Palin's daughter a new asshole for having the audacity to be a pregnant teen. Both sides of the aisle are perfectly capable of shocking you with their morals. I can't even count how many times I've listened to liberals defend the cruel treatment of middle eastern women by claiming those women like being treated that way.

    As to the family I think there has been a "father" problem that wasn't nearly as present in the 50s. In the 50's most kids had a dad at home, their dad. Today most kids are not living with their dad though ultimately many of them end up in some sort of step family. I am curious as to what caused the "father" issue. There was a certain amount of dishonor in the past when it came to walking out on your kids. That shame is gone today. So many men don't live with their kids today that it's fairly common to talk to a man who doesn't share a roof with his children. So common that there's no need to ask, "why?" It's not at all unusual. Some of these men are still active fathers. Many many -too many are not and nobody gives them any **** for it.

    I don't know what led to the father problem. I imagine there are a wide variety of factors. But men need to get their crap together.

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