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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    They criticize nearly everything that democrats suggest and only support things they want.
    Does this differ from the Democrats?

    If someting is to be 'bi=partisan' it must be something that BOTH sides support. This means that the Dems, to be 'bi-partisan' have to give the GOP something theycan support. if the GOP is only presented with bills that contain nothing theycan support, then you cannot blame the GOP for not being bi-partisan.

    The might not show it, but its there. The Republicans want to secretly turn the entire country into Republicans and drown out the voice of "what they think is wrong," a mentality which is itself very wrong.
    Does this differ from the Democrats?

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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Does this differ from the Democrats?

    If someting is to be 'bi=partisan' it must be something that BOTH sides support. This means that the Dems, to be 'bi-partisan' have to give the GOP something theycan support. if the GOP is only presented with bills that contain nothing theycan support, then you cannot blame the GOP for not being bi-partisan.


    Does this differ from the Democrats?
    I'm not blaming Reps for not being bipartisan, I'm blaming them for moving even father to the right at every turn and still putting up the flimsy facade that "they are bipartisan."

    The stimulus bill passes recently was bipartisan, obviously, but too many Reps were trying to stall for time and pondering how they can further hinder progress. They attack Democrats, when it was actually the Dems who were pressing for progress and quick and action on these economic troubles, troubles which the Reps failed to prevent from surfacing during the 12 years they were in Congress.


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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I'm not blaming Reps for not being bipartisan, I'm blaming them for moving even father to the right at every turn and still putting up the flimsy facade that "they are bipartisan."
    IIRC, the dems, especially The Obama, were the ones making hay about being bi-partisan -- a New Era in Washington, they said. All the GOP is asking is that they live up to that and create bills that they, as Republicans, can vote for.

    The stimulus bill passes recently was bipartisan, obviously...
    IIRC, there was virtyally no GOP support for this, and there were defections from the Dems. How was that 'bi-partisan'?

    but too many Reps were trying to stall for time and pondering how they can further hinder progress.
    If by 'progress' you mean 'getting it done' then you may be right. However, if by 'progress' you mean 'positive movement', then you're not.

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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    IIRC, the dems, especially The Obama, were the ones making hay about being bi-partisan -- a New Era in Washington, they said. All the GOP is asking is that they live up to that and create bills that they, as Republicans, can vote for.
    True, I guess, but more Reps could have supported the bill. But for some reason, maybe to get back at Dems for being the filibustering ones during the Bush era, the Reps stalled for time and hindered progress.

    IIRC, there was virtyally no GOP support for this, and there were defections from the Dems. How was that 'bi-partisan'?
    Bipartisanship is, as Merriam-Webster Dictionary says: "of, relating to, or involving members of two parties."

    Members from both parties supported it, A majority of Dems in house and senate, and some Reps in the senate. If these few Reps did not support it, then I agree that it would not be bipartisan.


    If by 'progress' you mean 'getting it done' then you may be right. However, if by 'progress' you mean 'positive movement', then you're not.
    No I mean getting it done and a positive movement, and I'm right about that.
    Last edited by Cilogy; 03-03-09 at 08:07 PM.


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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    True, I guess, but more Reps could have supported the bill.
    If there's nothing in it that a Republican would support, why wou;d they?

    But for some reason, maybe to get back at Dems for being the filibustering ones during the Bush era, the Reps stalled for time and hindered progress.
    Why would not NOT fillibuster a bill that you dont want to pass?

    Bipartisanship is, as Merriam-Webster Dictionary says: "of, relating to, or involving members of two parties."
    Yes. And it is measured by the two-party support a bill has when voted on.
    If a bill is passed along party lines, its not bi-partisan, as the majority party did not craft the bill in such a way to gain support from the minority party.

    Members from both parties supported it, A majority of Dems in house and senate, and some Reps in the senate. If these few Reps did not support it, then I agree that it would not be bipartisan.
    "Soime" needs to exceed 3 in order to make any real claim of bipartisanship.

    No I mean getting it done and a positive movement, and I'm right about that.
    "Positive movement" is subjective. In your OPINION the movement is towards something "positive".

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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If there's nothing in it that a Republican would support, why wou;d they?
    Spite?

    Why would not NOT fillibuster a bill that you dont want to pass?
    What?

    Yes. And it is measured by the two-party support a bill has when voted on.
    If a bill is passed along party lines, its not bi-partisan, as the majority party did not craft the bill in such a way to gain support from the minority party.
    I don't understand your response here. It wasn't bipartisan because it it wasn't crafted for the minority, yet members of the minority supported it? Even though it was still bipartisan.


    "Soime" needs to exceed 3 in order to make any real claim of bipartisanship.
    Is that a rule? I'm not mocking you, seriously, I'm just curious, I've never heard of that.


    "Positive movement" is subjective. In your OPINION the movement is towards something "positive".
    This is true.


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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Spite?
    Let me ask this differently:
    You REALLY expect the GOP to support abill that contains nothing the GOP stands for? Why would they do that?

    What?
    The question is pretty simple:
    Why would the GOP NOT fillibuster a bill thay they believe will be bad for the country?

    I don't understand your response here. It wasn't bipartisan because it it wasn't crafted for the minority, yet members of the minority supported it? Even though it was still bipartisan.
    It wasnt bipartisan because it didnt gain support of both parties, as reflected in the vote tally. A few defectors does not a bi-partisan bill make.

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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    The GOP will continue to obstruct legislation, not because it doesn't reflect Republican ideals, but simply because it is sponsored by Democrats. Republicans will not allow Americans to perceive that Democrats have good ideas. Period.

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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    The Dems will continue to obstruct legislation, not because it doesn't reflect Democrat ideals, but simply because it is sponsored by Republicans. Democrats will not allow Americans to perceive that Republicans have good ideas. Period.

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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    I imagine an America in which political leaders actually focus on the country more than the party they belong to....

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