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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think this whole whining about partisanship is a load of crap. If you elect a politician to office because you agree with his views the most why the **** on earth do you want him to work with people whose views you do not agree with on issues that you do not agree with on the other side with? If senator dickhead was elected to office as a anti-illegal immigration republican and senator ****nut was elected to office as a anti-illegal immigration democrat then fine they should work together on a anti-illegal immigration issue. If however Senator ****nut was elected because he is for socialized medicine and senator Dickhead was elected because he opposed socialized medicine then the side that is for it should do everything they can to pass it and the side that is against it should do everything they can to oppose it. Because if they worked together on every issue in a bipartisan manner then what the hell is the point in electing someone based on political and personal issues?
    That's true, I agree.

    My main point was the fact that the GOP claimed they want bipartisanship but took the hypocritical route and become too partisan.


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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I disagree, and I hope the republicans CONTINUE to disagree.

    I do not believe Obama is right about this stimulus.

    I do not believe Obama is right about re instituting the AWB.

    I do not believe he's right about universal health care.

    And if this trend continues I imagine I won't think Obama is right for many other things too.

    And those things I don't believe he's right about and things I think are bad for this country I will push for and demand that the people in office that are there representing me do everything in their power to let him and others know that we do not like nor want this and think he is absolutely wrong.

    You BELIEVE that Obama is correct, which isn't surprising because you claim to be very liberal. I however, don't believe that to be the case.

    But he's shown no sign that he's for Bipartisanship anymore than the republicans have. His press conference speech about the Stimulus package was as blasting of Republicans as the republican rebuttle was to democrats, yet you did not comment on that.





    NO, they should not get out of the way. Stalling progress when the "progress" is something absolutely against the ideals that got these people voted into office and is "progress" that their constituents do not want and they together feel is going to be more harmful than good is CORRECT.

    Doing something for the sake of doing something is not always good. If Obama's plan was to say "I'm signing the country over to China", should the republicans get out of the way? I mean, he's DOING something right? That's progress of some kind right?

    If the representatives in government feel that doing something, primarily doing a specific something, is actually worse than doing nothing than I agree completely with them attempting to block it. If their constituents feel that doing this specific something is worse than doing nothing, they owe it to those constituents to block it.

    Absolutely not, the republicans should not just be quiet or sign on simply because they're in the minority and because the majority wants to do something. They should stand up and speak for the people they're supposed to be representing.
    so you would be talking out of the same side of your face if McCain was in the WH with a majority of the GOP holding both the senate and the house?
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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Did you read the boards much for the past few years?
    I doubt it....

    Yes, I'd be saying the same thing. I'd be wanting republicans to be pushing for the things they were voted in to do and I'd fully expect to see the Democrats doing everything in their power to stop those things.

    The only time I'd say this is different is if a politician ran specifically on a platform that they'd try to extensively work with the other side and compromise above principle, and then did the exact opposite.

    Please Utah, go find me a post from myself during the past few years bemoaning the Democrats stalling things. You know who I had issue with during judicial nominations? Not democrats, they were doing what is generally expected of them. My issue was with the Republicans joining them. Demanding minority rights? I may've had issues with creating new rules, but I had no issues with them striving to do that.

    Please, show me ANYTHING from my past posting history in any way, shape, or form that leads you to believe that I'd be talking differently in that situation aside from the fact I have "conservative" under my name. I'll eagerly await it but I hope you won't be offended that I'm not going to hold my breath.

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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Did you read the boards much for the past few years?
    I doubt it....

    Yes, I'd be saying the same thing. I'd be wanting republicans to be pushing for the things they were voted in to do and I'd fully expect to see the Democrats doing everything in their power to stop those things.

    The only time I'd say this is different is if a politician ran specifically on a platform that they'd try to extensively work with the other side and compromise above principle, and then did the exact opposite.

    Please Utah, go find me a post from myself during the past few years bemoaning the Democrats stalling things. You know who I had issue with during judicial nominations? Not democrats, they were doing what is generally expected of them. My issue was with the Republicans joining them. Demanding minority rights? I may've had issues with creating new rules, but I had no issues with them striving to do that.

    Please, show me ANYTHING from my past posting history in any way, shape, or form that leads you to believe that I'd be talking differently in that situation aside from the fact I have "conservative" under my name. I'll eagerly await it but I hope you won't be offended that I'm not going to hold my breath.
    The Reps who joined to Dems, in the situation you're talking about, were the only ones being truly non-partisan. They saw what was right and forgot about party lines to get the job done.

    By the way, just out of curiosity, why do you have a Joe Biden quote in your signature that is clearly anti-Republican?


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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Parties in general, which include the GOP and Dems only want bipartisanship to the point where it gets them votes and gets their agenda passed. If they need neither, then bipartisanship has no place in their portfolios. This is exactly what we saw with the all GOP years, with democrats and Deficit Hawk Republicans effectively being ostracized from much of the whole process.

    The Dems are now in the position that was formerly occupied by the Republicans.

    The question thus becomes, how much do they need bipartisanship for elections and how much to get their agenda passed? Clearly in the House it doesn't count for ****. I'd say it counts for a bit more in the Senate. And the GOP knows this. Why would they bother to try to get bipartisanship when they know their counterparts have little actual use for it?

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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    By the way, just out of curiosity, why do you have a Joe Biden quote in your signature that is clearly anti-Republican?
    Because Obama has proven himself to be very little change in terms of how Washington politics functions. Obama is actually a lot like Bush instead of spending things on socially conservative programs, he's spending them on socially liberal. We're still getting big government, still in Iraq and Afghanistan (this I don't think is a bad thing though), big intervention, big deficits, big debts and many of the other piles of poo that came with the Bush admin.

    That's not change, it's more of the same with Obama/Biden.
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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    No, bipartisanship is basically support for a common legislation/act/policy by both parties, not acting as one party.
    Thus they vote as one.
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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    The Congressional Democrats, especially the House (oh my god Nancy Pelosi) really annoy me, and I feel like they want to push their agenda. The GOP's annoy me equally because they seem like they want their way as well by blocking everything the Dems want. It looks like a deadlock to me.

    From what it seems, President Obama promotes bipartisanship more than either party does. I've heard people like Sen. McCain and other leading GOP's saying they would like to work with the President and find a common goal.

    However, one of the most partisan things I've seen is this "Weekly Republican Response." Why do Reps want to have a party response like this, as if the whole world is against them?

    I think its an attempt by bitter GOP's to get back at their loss of seats in the House and Senate. Its such a huge move away from bipartisanship.

    What do you think?

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    They were elected to push their agenda. Why shouldn't they? In Britain and Australia the opposition almost always criticises the gov't on whatever they do.
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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Because Obama has proven himself to be very little change in terms of how Washington politics functions. Obama is actually a lot like Bush instead of spending things on socially conservative programs, he's spending them on socially liberal. We're still getting big government, still in Iraq and Afghanistan (this I don't think is a bad thing though), big intervention, big deficits, big debts and many of the other piles of poo that came with the Bush admin.

    That's not change, it's more of the same with Obama/Biden.
    But the hilarious thing about this is that Biden actually said that about Palin and McCain.


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    Re: Does the GOP want bipartisanship?

    And that's the wonderful irony

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