View Poll Results: Would the Democrats prefer to be refered to as "tas and spend" or "Borrow and spend&q

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    2 25.00%
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    1 12.50%
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    5 62.50%
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Thread: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

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    Re: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    nothing can ever make W. look [good]
    Wow. Partisan bigotry, raised to a new level.

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    Re: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Wow. Partisan bigotry, raised to a new level.
    I voted for him, helping to put him in office, so that gives me the right to be displeased with his performance...
    The first time Obama heads off in the wrong direction and then says "stay the course", then I will complain about him.
    BTW, I voted for McCain, but felt sick about it. The GOP has copied the DEMS usual method of presenting its very worse choice of candidates....
    The Dems did not win on merit alone, but won because there was no viable GOP candidate...IOW, the GOP handed the WH to the DEMS on a silver platter...
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    Re: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

    You know, I bet if McCain had won the election, and unveiled this ambitiuos spending plan with little or no tax increase, nobody would be saying "its ok, in a recession". Rather the response would be about the irresponsibilities of the GOP, once again. And those responses would be correct, just as they would be correct about the democrats, with Obama in office. Partisanship ruins, what should be universal condemnation of this outrageous amount of spending.
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    Re: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Even if He does, He still projects a 1.7T deficit.
    So, again:
    What do you think about Obama not raising taxes to pay for His spending?
    In light of a severe recession, I don't really mind him delaying that campaign promise for a couple years. I do, however, expect him to raise taxes as soon as the economy recovers, and will be disappointed if he does not.
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    Re: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The Obama's new budget:

    BBC NEWS | Business | Obama unveils his $3.6tn budget

    $3.6T budget, $1.7T deficit.

    Question:
    Would the Democrats prefer to be referred to as "Tax and spend" or "Borrow and spend" or both?
    I would prefer taxing and spending (the Dem strategy) rather than borrowing and spending (the GOP strategy).


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    Re: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    You know, I bet if McCain had won the election, and unveiled this ambitiuos spending plan with little or no tax increase, nobody would be saying "its ok, in a recession". Rather the response would be about the irresponsibilities of the GOP, once again. And those responses would be correct, just as they would be correct about the democrats, with Obama in office. Partisanship ruins, what should be universal condemnation of this outrageous amount of spending.
    McCain would not have done it though. He would have had the same economic ideologues setting his economic policy that Bush had. Thus we would have seen more supply side economics in action. Right now they would be arguing that much of government would have to be privatized due to the current huge deficits and looking to sell Yellowstone off to a gated community developer.

    The point is that Obama is practicing Keynesian Economics with his stimulus, Republican don't. It's heresy to them.
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    Re: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The point is that Obama is practicing Keynesian Economics with his stimulus, Republican don't. It's heresy to them.
    At the moment. Remember that Republican spending policies during Bush Jr and Reagan were in fact Keynesian Economics hidden behind claims of trickle down. Anyone who thinks that the massive spike in military related spending had no effect on the economy is delusional. Domestic program spending during Reagan really didn't change. What did was the astronomical amounts on military related programs. In a way that is trickle down based on indirect spending from workers and programs. But it's still Keynesian in the form of government spending to spur economic growth. Really, military spending has nearly doubled every year from 1997 to 2007. 1997 was around $320 billion. It's over $630 billion in 2007. Through $200~300 billion into the market every year is obviously going to promote growth in the defense industry.

    Keynesian Economics is often heresy to Republicans when someone else does it but it's not when they do it.
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    Re: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As I said:
    Don't worry -- its pretty clear that The Obama will make them look very very good.
    That depends. Much of the current deficit is due to Bush era spending. We'll have to see the actual results and then strip out Bush era spending to see what Obama's era is going to be responsible for. Remember that Bush HW had crappy deficits and debt because of Reagan. Similarly, Clinton had good deficits and debt growth his first term because HW was willing to stand on his conservative fiscal principles and slow the debt growth, it cost him the presidency, but well, at least he had principles unlike his spawn. If Obama gets reelected then that will be a good time to examine the debt load under him assuming we accelerate debt retirement of the Iraq adventure.
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    Re: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I would prefer taxing and spending (the Dem strategy)....
    So, you oppose The Obama's budget, that borrows and spends?

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    Re: Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, you oppose The Obama's budget, that borrows and spends?
    This is inherently dishonest. Obama's projected budget increases taxation on some groups either by raising tax levels or closing loopholes/tax shelters while borrowing and spending. You are dishonestly trying to cast it as spend and borrow rather then spend, borrow and tax.
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