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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Several posts in this thread credit the second amendment with the implication that it justifies violent overthrow. The only historical document which deals with the issue at all is the Declaration of Independence, which is not a legal document, just a letter to King George. There have been strict laws throughout history regarding the personal ownership of weapons, especially high tech weapons.
    The people do NOT have the right to overthrow an existing government on an individual basis. A well organized group of committed rebels has the right to TRY to overthrow the government, but that does not make them patriots. As you remember, it was tried one time in American history and, fortunately for us all, failed. And I say that as a Southerner, whose great grandfather fought at Chickamauga.
    Who the hell is talking about overthrowing the governement on an indivigual basis?

    No one, that's who.

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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You have to remember that the question was asked from the point of view that the government grants your rights, and if it isn't specidically granted, it doesnt exist.
    In this very thread it was claimed that your right to overthrow the government was guaranteed by the founding fathers. Now all of you seem to be backing away from that claim. The posters in this thread claimed
    The 2nd amendment guarantees the right to bear arms because:

    It's a check on the Government. Self-defense is b.s., if someone really wanted to kill you they would have no problem.

    it is there to overthrow the state should it beome a tyranny.

    Primary reason is for revolution.

    The 2nd Amendment was created to ensure that all Americans, even criminals at the time it was written, were provided a defense against the government in the event that it went rogue.

    To keep the government under the constant real threat of revolution.

    to rise against an corrupt oppressive tyrannical government.

    we have guns to protect ourselves and overthrow our government if it becomes tyranical.


    It's one thing to pretend the second amendment guarantees the right to own any firearm, it's quite another to claim it guarantees the right to incite armed conflict. What the second amendment says, in plain language is "Because we need an armed militia, every man has the right to own a gun." This was true in 1780, it is not true today.
    Last edited by WillRockwell; 03-02-09 at 01:37 PM.

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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    In this very thread it was claimed that your right to overthrow the government was guaranteed by the founding fathers. Now all of you seem to be backing away from that claim.
    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
    To overthrow the government is our right as government derives all it holds; all power, all authority, all duty, from the People. Should it act against the People, it is the People's right to do away with it.
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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    It's one thing to pretend the second amendment guarantees the right to own any firearm, it's quite another to claim it guarantees the right to incite armed conflict.
    You don't understand. In this instance, I do not believe the failure to understand is wllfull -- in this case, you really do not get it.

    The 2nd guarantees the right to armed revolution by guaranteeing that the people will always have access to the means to affect said revolution.

    What the second amendment says, in plain language is "Because we need an armed militia, every man has the right to own a gun." This was true in 1780, it is not true today.
    It is every bit as necessary today as it was in 1791.

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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    It's one thing to pretend the second amendment guarantees the right to own any firearm, it's quite another to claim it guarantees the right to incite armed conflict. What the second amendment says, in plain language is "Because we need an armed militia, every man has the right to own a gun." This was true in 1780, it is not true today.
    Ah yes, you're correct. We should trust that the government will never want any more power and that they value our interests above their own..
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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    does that even mean anything?

    It means that, "I will take Valparaiso Univiversity Law Review's analysis over your opinion on this matter".

    Did that help clarify it for you...
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    The 2nd guarantees the right to armed revolution by guaranteeing that the people will always have access to the means to affect said revolution.

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    That was not the intent of the 2nd amendment, and I think you all know that.

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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    The intent is so that the people can maintain a well organized militia in order to help repel invaders or to overthrow an unjust or tyrannical government.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    That was not the intent of the 2nd amendment, and I think you all know that.

    Well. I think it is more of a counter against the declawing of average people so that the cunning cannot take the whole of America's freedom as easy. Look at the English now.
    Gun Control's Twisted Outcome: Restricting firearms has helped make England more crime-ridden than the U.S. - Reason Magazine
    In the two years since Dan Rather was so roundly rebuked, violence in England has gotten markedly worse. Over the course of a few days in the summer of 2001, gun-toting men burst into an English court and freed two defendants; a shooting outside a London nightclub left five women and three men wounded; and two men were machine-gunned to death in a residential neighborhood of north London. And on New Year's Day this year a 19-year-old girl walking on a main street in east London was shot in the head by a thief who wanted her mobile phone. London police are now looking to New York City police for advice.
    When you declaw your people they still do bad things. But by taking away their right to defend themselves they can't even stop the crimeys who are willing to take the chance to buy an illegal gun.

    It is for personal defense on any scale. Nationwide or in your backyard. Whatever you are defending from.


    I rather have my 12 gauge with slugs and have a small chance when a machine gunner comes by instead of a knife.
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