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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Sorry to disillusion you and all the others who long for an armed patriotic revolution, but our founding fathers did not write the Second Amendment to give the masses the opportunity to come shoot them if they felt the need. The Second Amendment was put in the constitution to guarantee a supply of soldiers for the army (militia). Period.
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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Sorry, it just doesn't make sense that the Founding Fathers would build in a provision to allow the masses (at the time they were quite snobby about common people) to overthrow the government using force.
    Given that they, themesleves had just exercised that right -- why not?

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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The fact that you have not provided a link speaks volumes. If you can show in the Constitution or Bill of Rights where the Founding Fathers encouraged armed insurrection, I'll be happy to apologize in public. Either **** or get off the pot.
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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    What are you talking about? I provided a link and I never claimed it was in the constitution. You are a way off target and talking rubbish.

    The link you provided (http://www.debatepolitics.com/newrep...y&p=1057944076) was for this very thread. If you are not prepared to provide a link to support your position, then you have no position.

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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Sorry to disillusion you and all the others who long for an armed patriotic revolution, but our founding fathers did not write the Second Amendment to give the masses the opportunity to come shoot them if they felt the need. The Second Amendment was put in the constitution to guarantee a supply of soldiers for the army (militia). Period.
    I believe the Supreme Court has stated that people have the rights to carry guns, also the 2nd amendment says " A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." People not just the militia can have guns.

    The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.
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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by partier9 View Post
    I believe the Supreme Court has stated that people have the rights to carry guns, also the 2nd amendment says " A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." People not just the militia can have guns.
    More importantly, they ruled that this right does not in any way depend on a person's association with any militia.

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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by partier9 View Post
    I believe the Supreme Court has stated that people have the rights to carry guns, also the 2nd amendment says " A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." People not just the militia can have guns.
    I am not arguing the second amendment. I am asking where, in the founding documents of our nation, does it give citizens the right to overthrow the government?

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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I am not arguing the second amendment. I am asking where, in the founding documents of our nation, does it give citizens the right to overthrow the government?
    Why would it need to? You do not need a right to usurp a tyrannical government, you need common sense and some ammo.
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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I am not arguing the second amendment. I am asking where, in the founding documents of our nation, does it give citizens the right to overthrow the government?
    Like in the Constitution? The Constitution doesn't grant rights first off, it merely lists a few of them. Secondly, the Constitution doesn't restrict the People; it restricts the government. There is no talk of revolution in the Constitution because the Constitution is talking about the restrictions and privileges of the State. It's the People installing a new government with restricted and specific powers. Some of the bigger rights were listed in the Bill of Rights. Which was argued over including because some of the founders thought that if they listed some of our rights in the Constitution, that maybe people would think that those were our only rights. But all government derives its power through the consent of the governed. It is the People who are the sovereigns, we are the source of all power and authority. If the government sins against the People for too long, it is the duty of the People to remove that government and replace it with one which does.
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    Re: Why does the 2nd Amendment protect the Right to Arms?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Why would it need to? You do not need a right to usurp a tyrannical government, you need common sense and some ammo.
    You have to remember that the question was asked from the point of view that the government grants your rights, and if it isn't specidically granted, it doesnt exist.

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