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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So, his state gets 1.78 for every dollar his state's citizens pay into the federal government. Is that a fair share?
    We are not a socialist society where the government is meant to be figuring out what everyones "fair share" is.

    If for some reason there was an issue to where air travel was driven up to such a costly price that it was almost mandatory for our economy that companies start delivering things over land, I would not be opposed to the Federal Government going into states in the middle of the country with less built up and upkept high way system and investing a large amount of money to increase it and create a major high way across the middle of the country so that trade could be made easier and for it to help our economy. I would not mind this despite it basically meaning those states would not be needing to spend their own money to make these highways despite the fact it WILL help them a bit by increasing their personal economy. I don't mind the fact that those states are likely, during that time, to be getting far more dollars per citizen than people in California or New York.

    Why?

    Because interstate infastructure is something the government SHOULD give assistance to the states to construct when its needed, because while it may be extra beneficial to those states it is in the interest of the entire country for the action to be done and its within the traditional purposes of the government.

    Much the same, disaster relief is something the Federal Government is set up to help provide. On the state side of things, that relief is being done through reducing taxes thus providing money BACK into the hands of the citizens, allowing them to use that money to repair and rebuild and to also invest it into their state economy that helps to also revitalize it. Bobby Jindal can not make the federal government reduce the taxes of Louisianans to help with this recovery, so he requests money from the federal government for something the federal government was set up to help with so that it can also be used to get the people and the economy of his state back on their feet after a NATURAL disaster.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    See, I thought conservative ideology as to the role of the federal government was that the federal government should provide aid to the states when the states are faced with a disaster that the state alone cannot address it. Therefore, one should not cut taxes in a state while asking for more federal money. Because then what your saying is that we don't care about trying to help ourselves at all, we just want money from everyone else.
    The state can not provide the aid it needs by itself. Honestly, you're coming at this from the very start with an answer in your mind and refusing to even open your eyes to anything else. You're coming to it with a stereotype in your head of what conservatism is based on your dislike of it as a liberal.

    If Bobby Jindal raises taxes so that the state has more money to give aid back to its people, then that takes money out of his citizens hands. Those citizens then have less money to spend on repairing their houses, buying new cars or furniture, paying for funnerals, and just spending in general. That in turns damages the economy of Louisiana causing issues with businesses trying to rebuild and hire people, possibly leading to people being laid off. This damage in the economy causes the state to get less revenue in regards to taxes brought in from businesses and purchases, which reduces the amount of aid they get.

    So yes, Bobby Jindal could've raised taxes and had more money for the state to provide aid to the people. However, it'd likely be a net push to a net loss because the money he's using to provide aid is the same money he just took away from his citizens. Its a possible net loss because now that money has to go through the beuracracy, which in and of itself costs money to run and operate, where as if the taxes are reduced there is no cost involved with getting that aid back to the people because its already there by not being taken from them in the first place

    EITHER WAY, there is not enough there in that state for the state to recover on its own so either way they would need to ask for Federal Assistance...as they should.

    Indeed, you've made the case backwards. Bobby Jindal would've been a HYPOCRITE if faced with this issue he raised taxes instead of lowering them, believing that the state government taking peoples money and then providing aid for them with that money how the state see's fit is the BETTER option than allowing the citizens to keep that money and use it for their own aid as they see fit.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Carefully reading the text of Jindal's speech I find nothing that makes me believe he is a hypocrite.

    "Who among us would ask our children for a loan, so we could spend money we do not have, on things we do not need?"

    I think the rebuilding of a state devastated by something as major as a hurricane is needed. The state could have employed other methods of getting money like nationwide fundraising though, but that is no guarantee to get back enough money to recoup the costs and have enough left over to do the job it is meant to do.

    If the money was there in the federal government to help then I say take it. This was an emergency which the state of Louisiana was not at fault and it required assistance. The aid was not needed due to the irresponsibility of a state government.
    Personally, I think if the kids are living and benefiting from the money then they should have no big whiny fest over paying it back. They are all profiting from it, so they shouldn't care.

    I would love to ask my kids to pay for some of my loans cause they reaped the benfits of them, and never lifted a finger when they were growing up to help me or their dad with any household chores. I'd say most kids are extremely ungrateful so I don't feel sorry for them.

    The only people who say they are things we don't need are people who are too cheap to pay for them, but when they'll need it it will be there, and they won't refuse to take it.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So, his state gets 1.78 for every dollar his state's citizens pay into the federal government. Is that a fair share?
    Is Louisiana a poor state? Seems like it must be. I'd say he probably needs to shut up.

    His speech got on my nerves like the first 2 or 3 minutes. It was too preachy, and nobody is going for that long-winded preachy stuff anymore. All that talk about his Dad looking through the yellow-pages. Yeah I'll bet he did that. I did that, too, and it never got me a job.

    He should have said one paragraph. It's too much spending, too much pork, and we don't have the money to pay for it. That would have been plenty. Nobody wants to listen to all the great endeavors of the parents, cause usually they aren't true, and everybody knows this. Usually you get lucky acquiring a job, or some relative knows somebody.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Were you able to write that with a straight face?

    Let's apply that defense to other situations:

    Why does Larry Craig ask for solicit gay sex in bathrooms? Because he can. He may be against gay sex, but face it - If it's there, he'll go for it. So would I. That doesn't mean he can't argue against it. If just about everyone else he knows is getting gay sex in public bathrooms, then why not Larry Craig? It does not make Larry Craig a hypocrite.
    Nice red herring, but gay sex in mens' bathrooms is a criminal act.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Nice red herring, but gay sex in mens' bathrooms is a criminal act.
    Haha, see I thought that true conservatives believed that taking more from others than you pay in yourself was stealing.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Haha, see I thought that true conservatives believed that taking more from others than you pay in yourself was stealing.
    It essentially is, but if it is offered or legally available, only a fool would turn it down. Doesn't mean you can't push to end it because, if it does end, then every state is still on a level playing field.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The state can not provide the aid it needs by itself. Honestly, you're coming at this from the very start with an answer in your mind and refusing to even open your eyes to anything else. You're coming to it with a stereotype in your head of what conservatism is based on your dislike of it as a liberal.

    If Bobby Jindal raises taxes so that the state has more money to give aid back to its people, then that takes money out of his citizens hands.

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    HYPOCRITE if faced with this issue he raised taxes instead of lowering them, believing that the state government taking peoples money and then providing aid for them with that money how the state see's fit is the BETTER option than allowing the citizens to keep that money and use it for their own aid as they see fit.
    Ok, first off, I did not argue that he should have raised taxes in his state. I said that so long as his state was taking in far more federal money than it citizens paid in, then bragging about cutting taxes in his state was hypocritical.

    Secondly, it seems to me that your position is that its perfectly ok for the citizens of LA to get a tax cut and thus keep more of their money at the expense of taxpayers in other states. Spin this how you want, but thats a fact. Even most liberals would not see that at as an appropriate use to federal taxpayer money.

    To argue that I am over simplifying conservatism is absurd. Conservatives have long argued against wealth transfers. That is a pillar of conservatism. This is exactly what Jindal engages in when he cuts his states taxes, then begs Washington for money.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Ok, first off, I did not argue that he should have raised taxes in his state. I said that so long as his state was taking in far more federal money than it citizens paid in, then bragging about cutting taxes in his state was hypocritical.

    Secondly, it seems to me that your position is that its perfectly ok for the citizens of LA to get a tax cut and thus keep more of their money at the expense of taxpayers in other states. Spin this how you want, but thats a fact. Even most liberals would not see that at as an appropriate use to federal taxpayer money.

    To argue that I am over simplifying conservatism is absurd. Conservatives have long argued against wealth transfers. That is a pillar of conservatism. This is exactly what Jindal engages in when he cuts his states taxes, then begs Washington for money.
    If every other state but a few are cutting taxes while lobbying for Federal money, I don't see the problem with Jindal doing it. He can push to end it, but with the money available, he should take it. As governor of Louisiana, he is responsible for his constituents before constituents in New York, but if New York wants to keep giving Louisiana money at their own expense, then New York has no reason to complain.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Secondly, it seems to me that your position is that its perfectly ok for the citizens of LA to get a tax cut and thus keep more of their money at the expense of taxpayers in other states. Spin this how you want, but thats a fact. Even most liberals would not see that at as an appropriate use to federal taxpayer money.
    You can try to dumb down my point and restate it however you want to make it fit your little world you're trying to magically create like a fairy tale here, doesn't mean its true.

    Yes, its okay for a governor to give his citizens a tax cut while taking money from the federal government for services the federal government was established to give such money for.

    No, the idiotic thing you're trying to say that I said that I never did said is not my stance, because there is this amazing thing that I guess you never heard of as Context. Your state taking money to finance inane studies and things that the Federal Government is not supposed to be there to help states do, bad. Your state taking money to finance rebuilding after a natural disaster when thats something the Federal Government is supposed to be there to help with, good.

    But yeah, its pretty obvious an actual honest, reasonable, intelligent debate isn't what you were searching for.
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