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Thread: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Except you seem to be either misinformed about small government conservatism or just being intentionally naive.

    Very few conservatives that I know believe that small government = no government.

    The Federal Government is there for a variety of reasons that a singular state can't do well but a group can. Military is one of them. National Disaster assistance is another.

    The state struck by a National Disaster is ravaged, its economy turned upside down as are its people. While yes, I fault the city and state for not doing more BEFORE this and preparing to do things immedietely after, in the long run it falls more on the Federal level of things.

    If a state is hit with a massive disaster such as this reducing taxes helps put money back in the hands of its ravaged citizens allowing them to get back on their feet and reinvest into the economy.

    However, money is still needed to fix that economy. That is where the federal government comes in. That's one of the big purposes of the federal government and is something a Small Government conservative should not have much of an issue with a state seeking money for.

    If he was asking money to study the DNA of Louisiana Crocodiles instead of using state money, I'd agree, hypocrite.

    If he was asking for money to fund some state mueseum in New Orleans dedicated to the early people who lived there and made the port into what it is today, I'd agree, he's a hypocrite.

    But he wasn't. He was asking money for disaster releif, something that the Federal Government should be there to help with even for a Small Government Conservative. You use that money to help rebuild the infastructure and get people on their feet, while also cutting the taxes in your state to spur that economy and put further money in their hands to get back on their feet after a tragic, horrendous, natural disaster.
    So once again, you see nothing wrong with a governor cutting taxes for his own state's citizens all the while pleading for more federal money, and all the while knowing that his state has always paid in less to the federal government than it gets back in spending.

    Is that conservatism? Does conservatism mean that states can cut taxes for their citizens while passing the buck to citizens in other states? Like I pointed out, he cut his state's income taxes knowing the his state gets 1.78 from the federal government for every dollar it pays in. He does not want his citizens to foot the bill for his states needs, he wants everyone else to.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So you see no hypocrisy in a small government conservative cutting his states taxes, all the while knowing his state gets far more in federal spending that it pays in, and pleading cup in hand for more federal tax dollars.

    Either the guy is a hypocrite, or this is perfectly illustrative of just how impractical the conservatism that him and others like him preach is.
    I didn't say that I see no hypocrisy. I believe I said "Though on this specific case I can see why the hypocrisy exists". In other words, I can understand the motivation behind it.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You do not see hypocrisy in cutting taxes for your citizens while the federal taxpayers in other states send you 1.78 for every dollar you pay in?
    No. What is hypocrisy? you're making a leap in reasoning, an assumption, in order to label him.

    You neglected to show me where he has said a state should never accept federal aid.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    No. What is hypocrisy? you're making a leap in reasoning, an assumption, in order to label him.
    Hypocrisy is defined as not acting or living according to the philosophy one espouses. If you brag about cutting taxes for your state, yet get far more in federal spending than your state pays in - yet, you also talk about pork in federal spending and you also promote yourself as a conservative - then unless getting more than you pay into the federal government, and then cutting your states taxes so that you are even more dependent on federal spending is a conservative ideal, then thats hypocrisy.

    He is not taking the stance of: Hey we are trying as best we can to fund our states needs and are only asking the federal government for aid when we have to.

    He is taking the stance of: Hey we cut taxes at a time when other states are funding our states needs. That is hypocrisy.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    yes, he is a hypocrite.
    His state's taxpayers pay Federal Income Taxes, so it would seem they deserve a piece of the pie regardless of what he believes personally.

    Government has gotten way to large, so it's pretty hard not to have to take a fair share of the money for your state. Nothing wrong with bemoaning the consequences of all the spending cause one is not the direct result of his spending, but the government's spending, which he can't control.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So once again, you see nothing wrong with a governor cutting taxes for his own state's citizens all the while pleading for more federal money, and all the while knowing that his state has always paid in less to the federal government than it gets back in spending.
    No, I see nothing wrong with a governor cutting taxes for his own state's citizen all the while pleading for more federal money for something the federal government is meant to be there to help with.

    He's not hypocritical nor against conservative values for asking for money from the federal government to do something that the federal government was set up in part to provide support for.

    He's not a NO GOVERNMENT Conservative, he's a small government one. That generally means the belief that the government should not be all encompassing, and that the states should have greater rights, but that there SHOULD still be a Federal Government and that Federal Government is there to fill some important roles that function better from a unified federal stand point than a state stand point.

    Military is one of these, interestate infastructure is one of these things, and disaster relief is ALSO one of these things.

    Is that conservatism? Does conservatism mean that states can cut taxes for their citizens while passing the buck to citizens in other states?
    No, conservatism is trying to cut taxes at the state and federal level and reduce the budget by getting rid of wasteful things that are not meant to be or needed to be done at those levels. Part of those taxes we pay into the federal government is distributed back out to the states, not necessarily in an equal manner, to the states based on the duties of the federal government and the needs.

    Your over generalization of Conservative ideology is like saying that liberalism means that states and the federal government will tax your money to give it to people that screw up, can't get a job, or don't want to work despite them paying a piddling amount, if any, of the taxes.

    Like I pointed out, he cut his state's income taxes knowing the his state gets 1.78 from the federal government for every dollar it pays in. He does not want his citizens to foot the bill for his states needs, he wants everyone else to.
    Yes, he followed conservative ideology in the state level...reducing taxes AND reducing state spending on friviolous things while ALSO following conservative ideology on reaching out to the federal government in assistance in regards to something that the federal government was made to actually assist with.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    His state's taxpayers pay Federal Income Taxes, so it would seem they deserve a piece of the pie regardless of what he believes personally.

    Government has gotten way to large, so it's pretty hard not to have to take a fair share of the money for your state. Nothing wrong with bemoaning the consequences of all the spending cause one is not the direct result of his spending, but the government's spending, which he can't control.
    So, his state gets 1.78 for every dollar his state's citizens pay into the federal government. Is that a fair share?
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Hypocrisy is defined as not acting or living according to the philosophy one espouses. If you brag about cutting taxes for your state, yet get far more in federal spending than your state pays in - yet, you also talk about pork in federal spending and you also promote yourself as a conservative - then unless getting more than you pay into the federal government, and then cutting your states taxes so that you are even more dependent on federal spending is a conservative ideal, then thats hypocrisy.

    He is not taking the stance of: Hey we are trying as best we can to fund our states needs and are only asking the federal government for aid when we have to.

    He is taking the stance of: Hey we cut taxes at a time when other states are funding our states needs. That is hypocrisy.
    This is true. If he is needing other states money, then he shouldn't be cutting his states taxes.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    yet, you also talk about pork in federal spending and you also promote yourself as a conservative
    Federal Assistance for Disaster Relief isn't PORK. Pork is useless pet projects of the states paid for by the Federal Government that are out of the normal traditional pervue of the federal government (or generally additional pet projects that have nothing to do with a given bill but at are attached to it with an earmark in hope of forcing it throguh).

    Federal Assistance for disaster relief is an actual job and purpose of the federal government and is something it is there specifically for states to ask for when its needed.
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    Re: Is Gov. Jindal a hypocrite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, I see nothing wrong with a governor cutting taxes for his own state's citizen all the while pleading for more federal money for something the federal government is meant to be there to help with.

    He's not hypocritical nor against conservative values for asking for money from the federal government to do something that the federal government was set up in part to provide support for.

    He's not a NO GOVERNMENT Conservative, he's a small government one. That generally means the belief that the government should not be all encompassing, and that the states should have greater rights, but that there SHOULD still be a Federal Government and that Federal Government is there to fill some important roles that function better from a unified federal stand point than a state stand point.

    Military is one of these, interestate infastructure is one of these things, and disaster relief is ALSO one of these things.



    No, conservatism is trying to cut taxes at the state and federal level and reduce the budget by getting rid of wasteful things that are not meant to be or needed to be done at those levels. Part of those taxes we pay into the federal government is distributed back out to the states, not necessarily in an equal manner, to the states based on the duties of the federal government and the needs.

    Your over generalization of Conservative ideology is like saying that liberalism means that states and the federal government will tax your money to give it to people that screw up, can't get a job, or don't want to work despite them paying a piddling amount, if any, of the taxes.



    Yes, he followed conservative ideology in the state level...reducing taxes AND reducing state spending on friviolous things while ALSO following conservative ideology on reaching out to the federal government in assistance in regards to something that the federal government was made to actually assist with.

    See, I thought conservative ideology as to the role of the federal government was that the federal government should provide aid to the states when the states are faced with a disaster that the state alone cannot address it. Therefore, one should not cut taxes in a state while asking for more federal money. Because then what your saying is that we don't care about trying to help ourselves at all, we just want money from everyone else.
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