View Poll Results: Which is more likely for America in the future?

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Thread: Which is more likely to happen in America?

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    Re: Which is more likely to happen in America?

    and I just noticed it right before I read your post. I believe that according to Marxist theory, the cannibalization of capitalism with happen softly.. the workers being forced out of occupation by technology, and the cognitive premise to commune as they did in the factories (experience has pressed the subconsciousness of unity amongst the workers, as each worker is an "appendage of the machine").
    This isn't exactly correct. The development of the means of production is simply one part of capitalist competition, and also does not necessarily lead to "workers being forced out of occupation." The means of production is part of what Marx termed constant capital (as opposed to labour-power, which is variable capital - see this link for more information on constant and variable capital). The real source of surplus value is in variable capital - the exploitation of labour.

    This exploitation can take many forms: cutting wages and/or benefits, increasing the length of the working day, making workers work harder/faster so that their wage is actually worth less in comparison to the amount of goods they produced, etc... So while the means of production are increased, the working day can also increase.

    "Is it not a real contradiction that the means for reducing physical labour, such as mechanical and other improvements and betterments, are transformed by it into means for lengthening the working day?"
    -N. Sieber, "Some Remarks on the Article of Mr. Y. Zhukovsky 'Karl Marx and His Book on Capital'" (Otechestvenniye Zapiski, November 1877, p.6)

    If you're interested in learning more about Marx's economics I highly suggest you read Marx's Kapital for Beginners. It is one of those introductory books that's written in cartoon format. I have transcribed it here, although if you read it there you won't get the impact of the cartoons. However, that's probably the best introduction to Marxist economics that I've ever found (aside from perhaps Mandel's book, which is considerably longer), and is very easy to read and not that long (I think it took me a night or two to read it).

    And what do you mean when you say that it will happen "softly"?

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    Re: Which is more likely to happen in America?

    I do not see a revolution at all; I see a Stalin or Hitler like regime ruling.
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    Re: Which is more likely to happen in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The Alien Overlords will be nothing like any ruler we've had before.
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    They'll be exactly like you.
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    We...I mean they, will be more benevolent than you think. We...I mean they, will, however, eat the extremists.

    BTW, Tucker, you have not been authorized to discuss this. Please return to home-base to receive you consequences.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Which is more likely to happen in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    We...I mean they, will be more benevolent than you think. We...I mean they, will, however, eat the extremists.

    BTW, Tucker, you have not been authorized to discuss this. Please return to home-base to receive you consequences.
    If you two are representative of our future alien overlords, it will be the best comedy ever.

    Please let me be part of the welcoming committee, I'll bring a cake.
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    Re: Which is more likely to happen in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you two are representative of our future alien overlords, it will be the best comedy ever.

    Please let me be part of the welcoming committee, I'll bring a cake.
    What do you mean representatives of your alien overlords, earthling? You dare question my omnipotence? I mean, questioning Tucker's is quite OK...he only got this assignment because he married into the royal family...but mine? Go clean my spaceship.

    And New York style cheesecake would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Which is more likely to happen in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    What do you mean representatives of your alien overlords, earthling? You dare question my omnipotence? I mean, questioning Tucker's is quite OK...he only got this assignment because he married into the royal family...but mine? Go clean my spaceship.

    And New York style cheesecake would do.
    Your sireness I didn't know, but I will be happy to clean your spaceship.
    I'm gonna need the keys though, its locked, oh yea and its instruction manual.

    I mean, questioning Tucker's is quite OK...he only got this assignment because he married into the royal family...but mine?
    You guys have royal chihuahua's?

    Cheesecake is my specialty, but seriously I need the keys.
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    Re: Which is more likely to happen in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Your sireness I didn't know, but I will be happy to clean your spaceship.
    I'm gonna need the keys though, its locked, oh yea and its instruction manual.
    It operates via mental telepathy/telekinesis. Earthlings psy ability is not developed enough to operate it.

    Just get a bucket, some water, and do the windows and the tires.



    You guys have royal chihuahua's?
    Are you calling Tucker's wife a dog? Tucker...blast him with your ray gun.

    Cheesecake is my specialty, but seriously I need the keys.
    And how are you going to make cheesecake, now, with a ray gun blast through your chest?
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Which is more likely to happen in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Are you calling Tucker's wife a dog? Tucker...blast him with your ray gun.
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    Re: Which is more likely to happen in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    BTW, Tucker, you have not been authorized to discuss this. Please return to home-base to receive you consequences.

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    Re: Which is more likely to happen in America?

    I guessed Marxism,,,,but actually see a serfdom in our future..
    The sheeple will be led down the path of dependence on the elite until we are no better than peasants with no voice in our govt...
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