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Racist or not Racist.

Which of these pictures are Racist?

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faminedynasty said:
Comparing Obama to a monkey is not racist. And history never happened.
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Bravo! Some folks will never "get it".. Obama being elected has been a real wake-up call to me and who I am gonna keep around in my personal life.. It has been such a shock to watch some folks that I had no clue were racist come out of the closet and it is disgusting! :roll:
 
jallman said:
Rap has zero value to black culture or any culture whatsoever. It's a bunch of foul mouthed thugs devaluing women, glorifying murder,and legitimizing drug trade
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There's a lot of rap that is precisely the opposite of what you just described. It's a shame you'll never hear it and that it won't enrich your life as it has done for countless others.
And one more thing...I will speak freely about any goddamned thing I please and you will simply deal with it and move on. I am not the least bit hindered or swayed by your race baiting hysterics.
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I'm not hysterical. And I never told you to stop talking. The suggestion to get educated about something before running your mouth about it was merely friendly advice to try to prevent you from making other unfortunate statements. But by all means, rant away.
 
Here's my contribution to rap:

I's a cracker,
But I couldn't be blacker
Someone calls me a donkey,
Get kicked from this honky.

I roll hard when I'm bowling
Some say that I'm trolling
Couldn't be a baller cause I'm five foot three,
So I became a Master Wizard in D & D!

Kickin' with my posse
Wiggas want to be me,
Watchin' Fox on TV
Can't get an STD

Cause no bitches want to **** me
Not even for some money
When it's ***** that I want to get,
I have to use the internet

Word!​
 
Well considering that all humans are related to Chimps, I do not see how you can openly say how that is racist. We are going to look like apes, because guess what, they are our distant relatives.

If you think this is racist then you will probably not understand this cartoon, and probably take it opposite the way it was intended to be taken.

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jallman said:
Well yeah...I just think it's an open and shut book in American history, the whole plight of the black man BS. It's been proven that the individual keeps a person barred from their dreams, not some institutionalized racism.
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I don't think it's as black and white (no pun intended) as people make it out to be. There are racists that use the system to their advantage. I've known cops in rural and urban areas that hate black people. That doesn't mean that all cops do. I think the racists are in the minority. But they do exist currently and always will.

You are right about those who race bait and are all too quick to play the race card. I'm reminded of this kid who sped on his way to school every day and got pulled over in front of the school. People asked him why he was stopped. His answer was because he was DWB (Driving while black). That nonsense has to stop. It gives people a reason to not care about racism. Call it chicken little syndrome.
 
thabigred said:
Well considering that all humans are related to Chimps, I do not see how you can openly say how that is racist. We are going to look like apes, because guess what, they are our distant relatives.

If you think this is racist then you will probably not understand this cartoon, and probably take it opposite the way it was intended to be taken.

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Historically, black people were compared to chimps, apes, and monkeys. It was a way of reinforcing the belief that they were subhuman. That is where people get the notion that it is racist.

Do you work with any black people? If so, call them a porch monkey and see what happens.

And what exactly is the way that you take this cartoon you posted?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Historically, black people were compared to chimps, apes, and monkeys. It was a way of reinforcing the belief that they were subhuman. That is where people get the notion that it is racist.

Do you work with any black people? If so, call them a porch monkey and see what happens.

And what exactly is the way that you take this cartoon you posted?
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I am Irish, my people in the first part of the century were compared to black people and monkeys just as the like. Many places in the US were segregated, even while having Irish-American Presidents(James Polk, Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan,etc). Racism is not alright, but this is not racist.

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Save me the sob story, if people are not educated enough to understand the context then they have no right taking offense to it.

What I meant with that cartoon is the origin of the white house being painted white and being named "white" was the fact that the British continued to burn the damn thing down so we were forced to paint it white.

Obama painting it black is a satire on the original meaning of why the white house is black and equally so to make fun of people who do not understand that.

These comparisons of Obama to an ape are satires on human emotion, bringing them down to an ape level. Showing how even the most powerful leader in the nation can look like and act like a monkey. No way is it racist, and you are an misunderstanding the context if you think otherwise.
 
thabigred said:
I am Irish, my people in the first part of the century were compared to black people and monkeys just as the like. Many places in the US were segregated, even while having Irish-American Presidents(James Polk, Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan,etc). Racism is not alright, but this is not racist.

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Portraying a group of people who had no choice in belonging to that group as subhuman certainly is bigotry. Irish isn't a race.

thabigred said:
Save me the sob story, if people are not educated enough to understand the context then they have no right taking offense to it.
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So less educated people have no right to be offended huh?

thabigred said:
What I meant with that cartoon is the origin of the white house being painted white and being named "white" was the fact that the British continued to burn the damn thing down so we were forced to paint it white.
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Did you create this cartoon?

Or is this your interpretation of this cartoon?

thabigred said:
Obama painting it black is a satire on the original meaning of why the white house is black and equally so to make fun of people who do not understand that.
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Wait, the White House is black? :confused:

The building was originally referred to variously as the "President's Palace", "Presidential Mansion", or "President's House".[12] The earliest evidence of the public calling it the "White House" was recorded in 1811.[13] A legend emerged that during the rebuilding of the structure white paint was applied to mask the burn damage it had suffered, giving the building its namesake hue.[14] The name "Executive Mansion" was used in official contexts until President Theodore Roosevelt established the formal name by having "White House–Washington" engraved on the stationery in 1901.[15][16] The current letterhead wording and arrangement "The White House" with the word "Washington" centered beneath goes back to the administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.[16]

Although it was not built until some years after the presidency of George Washington, it is also speculated that the name of the traditional home of the President of the United States may have derived from Martha Custis Washington's home, White House Plantation in New Kent County, Virginia, where the nation's first President and First Lady had courted in the mid-18th century.[17]
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White House - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now wikipedia isn't the most reliable source, but I doubt anyone is editing this page for nefarious purposes. Maybe you got caught up in the legend. Don't feel bad. It happens to the best of us, regardless of education. ;)

thabigred said:
These comparisons of Obama to an ape are satires on human emotion, bringing them down to an ape level. Showing how even the most powerful leader in the nation can look like and act like a monkey. No way is it racist, and you are an misunderstanding the context if you think otherwise.
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Perhaps before you lord your great intellect above people here you should figure out if a chimpanzee is an ape or a monkey. Also, isn't history a part of eductation? Or is that only when it's convenient to your argument? It's a "sob story" when it's not helpful to your argument, right?
 
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Apes and monkeys are both primates, and are part of the same primate suborder so really I don't understand you need for me to figure out the difference, but in the realm of this argument I do not see the difference.

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Is curious Obama racist? The point of that tshirt was to show how Obama is the second least qualified person to ever become president, if you take into account how long they served in senate/congress/governor. It is not meant to be taken as a racial issue, that somehow Obama looks like Curious George, but he is acting like Curious George.

Also, yes less educated people have the right to be offended, but no way does that justify it being offensive. Obama is running for public office, these pictures of him being compared to monkeys obviously did not hurt his campaign.

Obama realizes what they are, and takes them as they are, people look like monkeys/apes and cartoonist/newspapers/anybody has the right to make fun of him whole heartily about this.

I detract, after a quick look at snopes it seems you were partly right, it seems the white name was from the white wash finish given to it to keep it from deteriorating. Regardless of that information, what I said doesn't change much.
 
thabigred said:
Apes and monkeys are both primates, and are part of the same primate suborder so really I don't understand you need for me to figure out the difference, but in the realm of this argument I do not see the difference.

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Is curious Obama racist? The point of that tshirt was to show how Obama is the second least qualified person to ever become president, if you take into account how long they served in senate/congress/governor. It is not meant to be taken as a racial issue, that somehow Obama looks like Curious George, but he is acting like Curious George.

Also, yes less educated people have the right to be offended, but no way does that justify it being offensive. Obama is running for public office, these pictures of him being compared to monkeys obviously did not hurt his campaign.

Obama realizes what they are, and takes them as they are, people look like monkeys/apes and cartoonist/newspapers/anybody has the right to make fun of him whole heartily about this.

I detract, after a quick look at snopes it seems you were partly right, it seems the white name was from the white wash finish given to it to keep it from deteriorating. Regardless of that information, what I said doesn't change much.
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You are basing your assertions on your own interpretation of the context and intent. Do you think it would be racist if the intent was to demean and insult based on his race?
 
It is funny seeing the same people who say that obama's statment that his grandmothers racism was "typical of white people" is not racist, is arguing that these things here are racist.


Just sayin..... :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
It is funny seeing the same people who say that obama's statment that his grandmothers racism was "typical of white people" is not racist, is arguing that these things here are racist.


Just sayin..... :lol:
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I didn't take that comment to be racist because I don't think he meant it in an insulting and derogatory way. During that generation most white people were racist. So that behavior was typical of white people. Just as one can't simply look at a picture and deem it racist without knowing the context or intent. They are quite important in determining whether something is truly racist or not.
 
dclxvinoise said:
I didn't take that comment to be racist because I don't think he meant it in an insulting and derogatory way. During that generation most white people were racist. So that behavior was typical of white people. Just as one can't simply look at a picture and deem it racist without knowing the context or intent. They are quite important in determining whether something is truly racist or not.
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Wrong. He did not say people of his grandmothers generation were racist, he said "white people",

That includes me.


It was present tense.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Wrong. He did not say people of his grandmothers generation were racist, he said "white people",

That includes me.


It was present tense.
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Well, that's your interpretation. I interpreted it differently. And even if he were speaking in the present tense that sounds like he's judging on stereotypes rather than being racist. Again, I don't think he meant what he said in a derogatory or insulting way. However, like I said, that's my interpretation. Obviously you have a different one.
 
dclxvinoise said:
You are basing your assertions on your own interpretation of the context and intent. Do you think it would be racist if the intent was to demean and insult based on his race?
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Well if someone were to take another kids show like the Jetson's and say, look there were never any black people in the Jetson's because that was how a perfect future would look like...I can understand how if they somehow pinned that with Obama someone could take that as racist.

On the other hand Curious George comparison/any monkey & ape comparison has been used as a satire, like every other president in recent history. Nothing is wrong with this, it is tradition to make our elected leaders look like buffoons.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Well, that's your interpretation. I interpreted it differently. And even if he were speaking in the present tense that sounds like he's judging on stereotypes rather than being racist. Again, I don't think he meant what he said in a derogatory or insulting way. However, like I said, that's my interpretation. Obviously you have a different one.
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This is fine, you can read whatever you want out of his clear statement. I simply view it in context of his life, his choices, and other statments he and his wife have made.


His meaning was apparent to me.
 
thabigred said:
Well if someone were to take another kids show like the Jetson's and say, look there were never any black people in the Jetson's because that was how a perfect future would look like...I can understand how if they somehow pinned that with Obama someone could take that as racist.

On the other hand Curious George comparison/any monkey & ape comparison has been used as a satire, like every other president in recent history. Nothing is wrong with this, it is tradition to make our elected leaders look like buffoons.
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Like I said, you are basing your assertions on your own interpretation. How do you know that what you describe was the intent behind the image? That's why I said that context and intent are important to know whether something is truly racist or not.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is fine, you can read whatever you want out of his clear statement. I simply view it in context of his life, his choices, and other statments he and his wife have made.


His meaning was apparent to me.
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I just don't think that he would insult or demean his grandmother like you are implying. He obviously loved her very much.
 
dclxvinoise said:
I just don't think that he would insult or demean his grandmother like you are implying. He obviously loved her very much.
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I am sure he did, he still viewed her racist behavior as "typical of white people" as though he was excusing it because we are such racists. :roll:
 
dclxvinoise said:
Like I said, you are basing your assertions on your own interpretation. How do you know that what you describe was the intent behind the image? That's why I said that context and intent are important to know whether something is truly racist or not.
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Like I said, if someone is not educated enough to understand the context of that snipit, then they do not have the right to be offended by it, IMO.

It's pretty clear what they meant by those cartoons, get over it.
 
thabigred said:
Like I said, if someone is not educated enough to understand the context of that snipit, then they do not have the right to be offended by it, IMO.

It's pretty clear what they meant by those cartoons, get over it.
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Well, technically a person has the right to get offended by whatever they want. Whether it's justifiable or not is a completely different story.
 
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