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Racist or not Racist.

Which of these pictures are Racist?

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Lightdemon said:
If they have the right to choose what to believe, then by that same right I can criticize them for having chosen that belief.

But which one is the one who is committing a hate crime here? ;)
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No one.

Hate is never a crime. It's an emotion. One can't legislate feelings.


Hate crime laws...there's an abomination the government needs to stop.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
The issue is the government.

The issue is the Holder proclaiming that we're a nation of cowards because we're not having the conversations he wants to hear.

For all intents and purposes, racism is no longer a matter for the Attorney General to get concerned about. It's not an institutional practice endorsed by government at any level.

And since it's a private matter, it's none of his, or your business. You don't get all bent out of shape at the thought of what a couple of guys may be doing to each other in their home, don't get bent out of shape over what's going on in the mind of your local bigot. Not your business.
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The local bigot is welcome to express himself and I'm welcome to criticize him. If freedom of speech works for him it works for me as well.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
HellOOOO? Read the whole post and understand all of what was said? That ever happen to you?

Doesn't have to be true, it's an emotion.



Well, that's certainly one method you can use to defend yourself against understanding. Seek out the part you can understand, out of context, and imagine the rest doesn't matter.
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There was no need to address the rest of your post because the premise does not describe racism. What you describe is egocentrism, which is NOT human nature. Refer to the definition submitted by Americanwoman, and pay close attention to the words character and ability.
 
jallman said:
Now is hurling insults part of this sense of equality you keep going on about or do you think you should be a little more equal than others? I guess a mod will decide when they come across the reported post.
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Sorry if I was rude. But you can't take a little criticism? You need a mod (ie government) to come to your aid? Try pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
Jim Crow means nothing to me as I had no part in it.
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Perhaps a case could be made that my assertion that your sense of history is lacking is not a personal insult but objective fact?
give up the rap in favor of civilized artistic pursuits.
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Oh dear.
 
faminedynasty said:
Sorry if I was rude. But you can't take a little criticism? You need a mod (ie government) to come to your aid? Try pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
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Try not being rude and working within the rules to make your case. Obama did. Why can't you?

Perhaps a case could be made that my assertion that your sense of history is lacking is not a personal insult but objective fact?
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Perhaps pigs might be seen flying this afternoon, too.

Oh dear.
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What? There is nothing artistic or valuable about:

Bitches bitches
Ho's Ho's
Bitches Bitches
Ho's Ho's
Runnin drugs in da hood
Gatted dat mudafukka cuz da white man kept me down
Bitches bitches
Ho's ho's
Bitches bitches
Ho's Ho's


Well I see you have nothing left anymore so I will just leave you to it.
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jallman said:
Perhaps pigs might be seen flying this afternoon, too.
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Watch the 5 oclock news tonight, Tucker's going to be involved in a "police brutality caught on camera" special!
 
dclxvinoise said:
How so? Just because we have an African American President it doesn't make racism any less offensive and stupid.
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If we have enough folks in this country to get a black man elected then it's abundantly clear that the vast majority of us are not racist and the remaining remnants that cling to bigotry are irrelevant, weak, and powerless. America's racist past is history. There will always be rogue individuals dreaming of KKK parties but they'll have trouble finding a clan. One can no longer sound credible or genuine while asserting that whitie America keeps the black man down.
 
talloulou said:
If we have enough folks in this country to get a black man elected then it's abundantly clear that the vast majority of us are not racist and the remaining remnants that cling to bigotry are irrelevant, weak, and powerless. America's racist past is history. There will always be rogue individuals dreaming of KKK parties but they'll have trouble finding a clan. One can no longer sound credible or genuine while asserting that whitie America keeps the black man down.
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Well, I've always kind of known that a vast majority of people aren't racist. We've come a long way since the civil rights days. That doesn't mean that it's irrelevant or that people shouldn't get offended by it. While a majority of people aren't racist, there are a significant amount of people who still are and I think that we shouldn't just bury our heads in the sand and pretend that those people don't exist.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Well, I've always kind of known that a vast majority of people aren't racist. We've come a long way since the civil rights days. That doesn't mean that it's irrelevant or that people shouldn't get offended by it. While a majority of people aren't racist, there are a significant amount of people who still are and I think that we shouldn't just bury our heads in the sand and pretend that those people don't exist.
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Why not? They don't exist in large enough numbers to worry about. If an African American or anyone for that matter is involved in an actual racist situation that's worth talking about.

But talking about racism in general - I'm pretty much over it. Worrying over whether something might possibly be interpreted as racism by the overly overly sensitive types....done with that. Allowing folks who aren't actual victims of racism to run around wearing the victim robe with the whole of history on their backs as justification- done with that.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Well, I've always kind of known that a vast majority of people aren't racist. We've come a long way since the civil rights days. That doesn't mean that it's irrelevant or that people shouldn't get offended by it. While a majority of people aren't racist, there are a significant amount of people who still are and I think that we shouldn't just bury our heads in the sand and pretend that those people don't exist.
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Why not? Why give them any platform? Why acknowledge their nonsense at all?

I feel the same way about true racists as I do race baiters. They are to be laughed at and ridiculed but never taken as seriously as they want to be taken.
 
talloulou said:
Why not? They don't exist in large enough numbers to worry about. If an African American or anyone for that matter is involved in an actual racist situation that's worth talking about.
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I disagree. I think there are still a significant amount of people like that. Granted, things aren't as bad as they were racially during the civil rights movement, but I think that's been true for a long time. Having an African American President doesn't really change that.

But talking about racism in general - I'm pretty much over it. Worrying over whether something might possibly be interpreted as racism by the overly overly sensitive types....done with that. Allowing folks who aren't actual victims of racism to run around wearing the victim robe with the whole of history on their backs as justification- done with that.
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I agree with you that there are people who abuse it and use it to play the victim game. I have no sympathy for people like that at all. However, I don't think that all people who get offended by racism that still exists are playing the victim card. There's a community on livejournal about horrible customers and I can't tell you how many stories I've read where a person has to deal with an asshole African American customer who pulls the race card because the person can't satisfy them 100% . Stuff like that is complete bull**** to me and there are still a lot of people who do it. So I totally agree with you there.
 
jallman said:
Why not? Why give them any platform? Why acknowledge their nonsense at all?

I feel the same way about true racists as I do race baiters. They are to be laughed at and ridiculed but never taken as seriously as they want to be taken.
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Because some of those people are still in positions of power and have control over things. I would agree with you that they shouldn't be acknowledged if they were all complete nobodies who had no power in the world.

I realize that racism will really never die because people pass it on from generation to generation. It's a plague, regardless of how insignificant it may seem.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Because some of those people are still in positions of power and have control over things. I would agree with you that they shouldn't be acknowledged if they were all complete nobodies who had no power in the world.

I realize that racism will really never die because people pass it on from generation to generation. It's a plague, regardless of how insignificant it may seem.
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The main point though is Obama has proven that there's no reason for an African American or anyone else to waste much time and energy on some racist mofos. If your boss is a racist pile of poo go work for someone else. Racism is no longer a rampant problem where an African American can say they are held back by the color of their skin. If you are surrounding yourself with racist individuals MOVE.
 
talloulou said:
The main point though is Obama has proven that there's no reason for an African American or anyone else to waste much time and energy on some racist mofos. If your boss is a racist pile of poo go work for someone else. Racism is no longer a rampant problem where an African American can say they are held back by the color of their skin. If you are surrounding yourself with racist individuals MOVE.
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It's not that simple to just up and quit and get a new job, though (especially with our current economic crisis). The point is that nobody should have to put up with crap like that. It is a fact of life, yes, but I'm not going to get annoyed or pissed at the people who have legitimate complaints about it. I agree that there are people who abuse it, but I'm able to see the clear difference between those people and the people who have legitimate complaints.
 
dclxvinoise said:
It's not that simple to just up and quit and get a new job, though (especially with our current economic crisis). The point is that nobody should have to put up with crap like that. It is a fact of life, yes, but I'm not going to get annoyed or pissed at the people who have legitimate complaints about it. I agree that there are people who abuse it, but I'm able to see the clear difference between those people and the people who have legitimate complaints.
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So when some racist son of a bitch starts up with a person, ridicule them. It's not like anyone, especially the court, is going to come to the defense of the racist.
 
jallman said:
So when some racist son of a bitch starts up with a person, ridicule them. It's not like anyone, especially the court, is going to come to the defense of the racist.
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Well, exactly. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that a person has a right to be pissed off or offended if someone is racist. Racism obviously still exists and probably always will. Though I will say that it didn't take Obama being President for me to start being annoyed by people who pull the race victim card for no good reason. Those people have always annoyed me.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Well, exactly. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that a person has a right to be pissed off or offended if someone is racist. Racism obviously still exists and probably always will. Though I will say that it didn't take Obama being President for me to start being annoyed by people who pull the race victim card for no good reason. Those people have always annoyed me.
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Well yeah...I just think it's an open and shut book in American history, the whole plight of the black man BS. It's been proven that the individual keeps a person barred from their dreams, not some institutionalized racism.
 
jallman said:
What? There is nothing artistic or valuable about:
Bitches bitches
Ho's Ho's
Bitches Bitches
Ho's Ho's
Runnin drugs in da hood
Gatted dat mudafukka cuz da white man kept me down
Bitches bitches
Ho's ho's
Bitches bitches
Ho's Ho's
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Are you ignorant of the fact that there is a great deal more to rap and hip hop than that? Or are you simply trying to be as insulting as possible?
 
faminedynasty said:
Are you ignorant of the fact that there is a great deal more to rap and hip hop than that? Or are you simply trying to be as insulting as possible?
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Oh yeah, I guess I forgot. There's always...

Nigga nigga nigga
Bitches, ho's
Bitches, ho's
Pop a cap in dat ass
Fo my bitches and ho's
 
There’s a lot more to hip-hop than that, whether you’re being ignorant or merely insulting. Conscious rap speaks to the political consciousness of Black America, its aspiration, its troubles. You may or may not know that. But by insulting rap and hip-hop as a whole you’re asserting that the voice of contemporary black culture and philosophy is worthless. Whether you’re joking or not, that’s very ignorant and very insulting. Learn about KRS one, Dr. Cornell West, learn about the history and relevance of hip-hop. In short get educated about something before you run your mouth about it.
 
Actually, I have to say that I didn't really care much for rap until I heard Grandmaster Flash "The Message". That's a very intense and powerful song.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Actually, I have to say that I didn't really care much for rap until I heard Grandmaster Flash "The Message". That's a very intense and powerful song.
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It is indeed.
And as for the thread as a whole, look everybody: I’m as much for a race-less society as any of you. Race is more or less a fiction used to divide people. But to pretend that racism is dead, or even to pretend that institutionalized racism is dead is not only ludicrous, but dangerous. It’s akin to celebrating the eradication of small pox before the job is done.
From racial profiling by police, to the insane incarceration rates of black men, to harsher sentences for the same crimes, to the racists you describe as “Joe” being very politically active, to things as simple as the drastic steps homeowners associations take to keep the neighborhood “desirable,” institutionalized racism is alive and well in America. I wish it weren’t so.
 
faminedynasty said:
There’s a lot more to hip-hop than that, whether you’re being ignorant or merely insulting. Conscious rap speaks to the political consciousness of Black America, its aspiration, its troubles. You may or may not know that. But by insulting rap and hip-hop as a whole you’re asserting that the voice of contemporary black culture and philosophy is worthless. Whether you’re joking or not, that’s very ignorant and very insulting. Learn about KRS one, Dr. Cornell West, learn about the history and relevance of hip-hop. In short get educated about something before you run your mouth about it.
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Rap has zero value to black culture or any culture whatsoever. It's a bunch of foul mouthed thugs devaluing women, glorifying murder, and legitimizing drug trade. You can make all your hysterical and histrionic wailings about how not giving credit to a degenerate and talentless pursuit is racist or ignorant but it will do nothing to elevate rap above the ****tiest form of artistic expression in the history of mankind. If rap is truly the voice of black america and is a driving force behind its political philosophy then that says a lot about black america and I simply have too much respect for my black friends and acquaintances to believe such an absurd line of total bull****.

Blues, r&b, funk...the artistic voices of black america come from those pursuits. Not this morally bankrupt **** that is called rap.

And one more thing...I will speak freely about any goddamned thing I please and you will simply deal with it and move on. I am not the least bit hindered or swayed by your race baiting hysterics.
 
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