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Racist or not Racist.

Which of these pictures are Racist?

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dclxvinoise said:
I never said that they shouldn't be allowed to make racist cartoons. Obviously they can. However, they also open themselves up to criticism by doing so. I think it's a bit absurd to just expect people to get over being offended by racism if something is blatantly racist. As for the cartoon that everyone is freaking out about it's obviously not directed at Obama. Like I said in my previous post, I just find it disturbing that people who are normally rational are so irrational when it comes to being offended by things that are racist. They completely overlook the context which is extremely important.
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I understand the context. I know that the monkey didn't symbolize Obama. I'm saying, even if it did, its still a cartoon.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't be offended over racist comments or racist behavior. Because sure enough, racism's intent is to hurt. It's reasonable for people to still be offended, despite the fact that "we already have an African American for a President."

I'm saying that this is comedy. The intent is not to hurt, instead it is to make others laugh. And if people can't see that, and get offended over it, that's their problem. They are over-reacting. Comedy that utilizes racism (or stereotypes), I believe, is one of the best weapons to attack racism itself.

YouTube - Robin Williams - Irish Drinking/GOLF
 
The only ones that consider those pictures to be racist are racist themselves.
 
So my pregnant wife decided she wanted to watch "wife swap"...


I hate fake reality shows, reality shows, etc.....



Anyway, they had these two couples one white, one black.....


The white dude was telling the black new wife about using the N word, (I am sure it was made up by the producers), and they spent the whole show showing how this evil racist white family coming to terms with there racism by this gracious black family....


The best part was at the end, however when they all come and meet. and the chicks get into a fight and the black chick is yelling "I kill you white bitch, white devil" etc......


It didn't seem they planned that. :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So my pregnant wife decided she wanted to watch "wife swap"...


I hate fake reality shows, reality shows, etc.....



Anyway, they had these two couples one white, one black.....


The white dude was telling the black new wife about using the N word, (I am sure it was made up by the producers), and they spent the whole show showing how this evil racist white family coming to terms with there racism by this gracious black family....


The best part was at the end, however when they all come and meet. and the chicks get into a fight and the black chick is yelling "I kill you white bitch, white devil" etc......


It didn't seem they planned that. :lol:
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No, that sounded...totally natural.
 
I do think that context needs to be considered in issues like this. Comparing a Black person to a monkey has historically racist connotations. This is not racist for George W. Bush because he is not black.

Asking people to ignore context is just a silly tactic by those who either want to try getting one over on those who attacked Bush or for people who want to be able to more freely make racist statements.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So my pregnant wife decided she wanted to watch "wife swap"...


I hate fake reality shows, reality shows, etc.....



Anyway, they had these two couples one white, one black.....


The white dude was telling the black new wife about using the N word, (I am sure it was made up by the producers), and they spent the whole show showing how this evil racist white family coming to terms with there racism by this gracious black family....


The best part was at the end, however when they all come and meet. and the chicks get into a fight and the black chick is yelling "I kill you white bitch, white devil" etc......


It didn't seem they planned that. :lol:
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Black racism and other kinds of intolerance is why as a white liberal I've really begun to feel a wedge growing between myself and the rest of the white liberal establishment regarding black issues.

Objectively speaking, the black community provides basically an antithesis of the liberal secular humanists values.

I find the black community to be overly religious, generally racist and virulently homophobic.

These properties are rightly condemned when they're found in...say white Southern communities, but tolerated and considered "genuine" or "folky and authentic" (particularly the religious attributes) when practiced by the black community.

The black (and other minority's) vote in California in Prop 8 showed to me how opportunistic the black community's involvement in civil rights truly has been: they supported it when it helped them but retreat to reactionary social conservatism now that their struggle is over.
 
new coup for you said:
Black racism and other kinds of intolerance is why as a white liberal I've really begun to feel a wedge growing between myself and the rest of the white liberal establishment regarding black issues.

Objectively speaking, the black community provides basically an antithesis of the liberal secular humanists values.

I find the black community to be overly religious, generally racist and virulently homophobic.

These properties are rightly condemned when they're found in...say white Southern communities, but tolerated and considered "genuine" or "folky and authentic" (particularly the religious attributes) when practiced by the black community.

The black (and other minority's) vote in California in Prop 8 showed to me how opportunistic the black community's involvement in civil rights truly has been: they supported it when it helped them but retreat to reactionary social conservatism now that their struggle is over.
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Yes, I agree with your sentiments black people should not be given a pass for their bigotry just because they have face bigotry too.

Though I wouldn't be so quick to paint with a broad brush, there are civil rights people who have pushed for gay rights as well.
 
new coup for you said:
Black racism and other kinds of intolerance is why as a white liberal I've really begun to feel a wedge growing between myself and the rest of the white liberal establishment regarding black issues.

Objectively speaking, the black community provides basically an antithesis of the liberal secular humanists values.

I find the black community to be overly religious, generally racist and virulently homophobic.

These properties are rightly condemned when they're found in...say white Southern communities, but tolerated and considered "genuine" or "folky and authentic" (particularly the religious attributes) when practiced by the black community.

The black (and other minority's) vote in California in Prop 8 showed to me how opportunistic the black community's involvement in civil rights truly has been: they supported it when it helped them but retreat to reactionary social conservatism now that their struggle is over.
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I generally agree, but I'm unclear on how it was known that black people were largely responsible for prop 8 passing.
 
Of course you can't say that "every black person is homophobic", nevertheless I find that the black religious establishment, the linchpin of the black civil rights movement, is behaving pretty much identically to the white evangelical religious establishment regarding gay rights issues.

And seriously, black racism is vicious. White's generally hide their racism because they're embarrassed of it (or at least don't want to be socially censured for it) but I've seen little hesitation among the black community to be quite explicit with their racism, usually framing it as a criticism of some historical injustice.

I also resent that when blacks organize along race lines it's considered normal but when white's do it it's a big deal.

There's plenty of black only gangs that are overtly hostile towards white people. They're considered normal urban gangs.

If white's form a white only gang that's overtly hostile towards black people they're a "hate group".

I'm not defending white power skinheads or the Klan, however, I'd like to see black race groups treated the same as white race groups.
 
Cardinal said:
I generally agree, but I'm unclear on how it was known that black people were largely responsible for prop 8 passing.
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I don't think it was so much that they were the only ones responsible, but they went majority against it and many people seemed to feel betrayed. I suppose because they expected black people to actually support equal rights for a minority or because of the overwhelming vote for democrats who are seen as at the more gay friendly party of the two we're stuck with.
 
Did you see the cartoon of Obama portrayed as a lawn jockey with giant lips, sputtering sentence fragments, under the heading, "House Nigger?"
 
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jallman said:
Neither is racist but they are both assholish comparisons.

Sort of like this one:

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Yeah, that's really uncomplimentary to Zira. She was never a bigot.
 
Cardinal said:
Black people have frequently been compared to monkeys in a derogatory manner, while white people have not. Asking us to judge the two examples to be equal is expecting us to forget, you know, history.
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Historically, president Bush has been compared to chimpanzees.

Ergo, to claim that white people have not been compared to monkeys is simply a false statement.

By your own admission.
 
I think what every one is forgetting is that the Left is the self-proclaimed judge of what is racist and what isn't.

Thus, it's racist to legimiately compare an incompetent disaster of a president to a successful primate, if that president has the middle name Hussein.

It's not racist to say that black people aren't good enough to succeed on their own merits, so the government has to mandate racial quotas and set asides, known as Affirmative Action and other policies, the deny equally qualified white people an equal opportunity for employment.

Just ask any Lefty.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Historically, president Bush has been compared to chimpanzees.

Ergo, to claim that white people have not been compared to monkeys is simply a false statement.

By your own admission.
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White people as a race have not been compared to monkeys. There have been individuals who are white who were compared to monkeys. There is a difference between the two, don't be obtuse.
 
YamiB. said:
White people as a race have not been compared to monkeys. There have been individuals who are white who were compared to monkeys. There is a difference between the two, don't be obtuse.
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Complete b.s.

Humans (all of em) have been compared to apes, monkeys, chimps what have you since damn near forever. Kids are routinely called monkeys by parents, grandparents, etc. Chimps are our closest relative for Gods sake.
 
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