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Thread: Racist or not Racist.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Understandable, I caught that particular point of yours after I posted.
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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    I'd say in general neither, as context is needed.

    Are you calling Obama a Monkey because he's dumb like a monkey or because Blacks are historically considered such? Then yes.

    Are you calling Obama a Monkey because he has big ears and you get a shot of him with his lips in the right way? Then no, its the EXACT same kind of thing as Bush.

    Are you calling Obama a Monkey because you think he's an idiot and doing the job a monkey could do? Then no, its the EXACT same kind of thing as Bush.

    Intent matters.

    Its the same thing as that idiotic Stephen A. Smith started saying this cover was purposefully racist:



    cause it depicts the big, angry, black man looking like an ape hording over the white woman. Where as to me, I saw a clever play on the masculenity of a physically amazing person in LeBron with the feminitiy of one of the biggest models juxtaposed in a picture leading one to remember the famous images from King Kong, allowing the viewer to feel a bit of familiarity in the photo. But oh, Kong was an ape, so naturally the entire point of the cover was racists .
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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'd say in general neither, as context is needed.

    Are you calling Obama a Monkey because he's dumb like a monkey or because Blacks are historically considered such? Then yes.

    Are you calling Obama a Monkey because he has big ears and you get a shot of him with his lips in the right way? Then no, its the EXACT same kind of thing as Bush.

    Are you calling Obama a Monkey because you think he's an idiot and doing the job a monkey could do? Then no, its the EXACT same kind of thing as Bush.

    Intent matters.

    Its the same thing as that idiotic Stephen A. Smith started saying this cover was purposefully racist:



    cause it depicts the big, angry, black man looking like an ape hording over the white woman. Where as to me, I saw a clever play on the masculenity of a physically amazing person in LeBron with the feminitiy of one of the biggest models juxtaposed in a picture leading one to remember the famous images from King Kong, allowing the viewer to feel a bit of familiarity in the photo. But oh, Kong was an ape, so naturally the entire point of the cover was racists .
    I remember seeing that photo, thinking how brilliant it was. It portrayed Lebron as an overwhelming force of nature, and the Giselle positively scrumptious, like her dress would just blow away at the slightest breeze. And yes, I remember it caught a lot of flack because the pose was indeed inspired by King Kong. In my opinion it was used for the effect of virility and presence, not so as to state that black people are apes.

    Intent does have a place in the topic, as you already pretty much said above.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    You know, when that cartoon appeared my mother brought it in and showed it to me. I snickered. She asked, "Don't you think that's racist?"

    Me: "Why would I think that?"
    Her: "Well, it's comparing Obama to a monkey... "
    Me: "Did Obama write the stimulus package?"
    Her: "Well... I think so."
    Me: "Did you assume that because when you saw the picture of the monkey it made you think of Obama immediately?"
    Her: "Well, I think it was supposed to."
    Me: "Maybe it's not the cartoonist that has racist tendencies then... "
    Her: "What did YOU think when you saw it?"
    Me: "That the cartoonist was saying a trained monkey could have written the stimulus bill. I actually have no idea who technically wrote the thing. They likened Bush to a monkey all the time, though."
    Her: "Yeah, I guess so... but I think it's different now."
    Me: "Why should the press put on kid's gloves just because a black man is president? If they can compare Bush to a monkey, they can compare Obama to one - IF that's even what they were doing."
    Her: "I guess... It just seems borderline to me."

    She then shows the cartoon to my father and asks, "What does make you think immediately?"

    He answered (without having heard our conversation), "That a monkey could have written the stimulus package... ?"

    She shook her head and said, "Okay, maybe it IS just me... but I really saw it as racist."

    I told her I thought she, and plenty of others, were LOOKING for 'racist' things to see, and if you look for racism in everything, you're going to find it all over the place.

    Anywho... long story short, Neither of pics are racist. And, I will not tolerate the bull**** 'racist' whining a moment longer in this country. It stopped on Nov. 4th.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Anywho... long story short, Neither of pics are racist. And, I will not tolerate the bull**** 'racist' whining a moment longer in this country. It stopped on Nov. 4th.
    I think I am gonna start a cause on Facebook.


    Join my cause: My tolerance for the racist whining stopped on Nov 4, 2008.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    As far as I'm concerned Obama finished it. He got elected. We elected him. An African American person can become anything even President. So it's over. I won't tolerate any more whining, I refuse to walk on egg shells, you don't get to be a victim anymore unless the offense against you is blatant and obvious. We're even steven. It's over. Finished. White people can now just drop the guilt. Put it down and walk away. African American men have now surpassed women. You don't get to whine no more. Done.
    Racism is not finished and Obama being elected does not erase the fact that black folks are still discriminated against.

    The past should never be forgotten either. It will never be over because it is always there.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Here’s an old mans take. I believe that they all are derogatory to a certain age group (mine),but the first one would be considered to have a touch of racism in it.

    Now, I hope we can get to the point after that comparing someone to a monkey is just considered derogatory. It took a few decades (in my case at least) but I feel I can spot a dickhead regardless of race.

    Oh, by the way rev, congregations on a pretty good thread. Got the ole brain cell kicked into second gear.
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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Technically, humans are primates but…
    Black people are compared to monkeys to denote their race is inferior to basically white people, thus Picture A would move toward racist.
    Bush is compared to a monkey as a knock on his intelligence not because of his race thus is not racist.
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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    Black people are compared to monkeys to denote their race is inferior to basically white people, thus Picture A would move toward racist.
    Bush is compared to a monkey as a knock on his intelligence not because of his race thus is not racist.
    But what if the person doing the Obama one did it as a knock on his intelligence of economics in regards to the stimulus package? Essentially the same sort of reason for Bush. Why would it be racist?
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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    But what if the person doing the Obama one did it as a knock on his intelligence of economics in regards to the stimulus package? Essentially the same sort of reason for Bush. Why would it be racist?
    You can spin any racist comment or epthet to mean something else more innocuous, and I believe that deep down you don't really buy that for a second. (And I'm referring to the Obama/monkey montage -- the political cartoon is just too weird for me to make any sense of).
    Last edited by Cardinal; 02-27-09 at 11:05 AM.

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