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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't think it really has to do with much of anything except the fact that society is getting fed up with being told that certain things are "off limits" because of a 200 year old grudge that no person alive today had anything to do with as an aggressor or a victim.
    Well, I honestly don't think racism should be off limits. It is protected within the rights of free speech. However, it is still open to criticism like everything else is. Unfortunately a lot of agenda-driven activist groups forget the importance of free speech and feel that their group should be the exception. Obviously that's a load of crap. If you want to be treated as equals you will be treated as equals both in good ways and in bad ways.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    It depends on the context. In the right context comparing Obama to a monkey can definitely be construed as racist. I don't know why some people think that because we have a black President that somehow racism doesn't exist anymore.
    I will accept claims of blatant racism. Cases where racism is OBVIOUS. But anything that is even remotely close to stretching in order to get an extra mile out of the race card is OVER as far as I'm concerned.

    My reasoning is that I always felt like perhaps I really don't know how bad African Americans are treated by white people. Perhaps there are huge masses of our population that are still today horribly racist. Maybe I don't run with these groups but they exist in large enough portions to keep African Americans down in a way that I don't see.

    Then Obama got elected. If we were a horribly racist country it couldn't have happened. So what did I learn? Despite everything all the race card players have forever been trying to tell me America is not all that racist anymore. We're just not. I, for one, think it's fantastic.

    Are there racists left? Sure. Do they matter? Nope. They're entirely irrelevant and antiquated. Destined to be regulated to the history books.

    An African American might experience racism. Might meet a racist. But if the African American lets that touch them too deeply that's on them because the US has shown that large masses of us harbor no racist feelings. So much so that Obama got elected.

    That's why it's over. It's done. A black man can say to me, "You know I was at the store and this cashier said blah blah blah," and if it was obviously and clearly racist I'll agree with the guy that he ran into a racist mofo.

    But Black people can no longer sit around bitching in general. Whining about stuff that didn't even personally affect them. Complaining about how racist America is in a general way. I will NEVER take any of that seriously ever again.
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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    If it's ok to portray white politicians as monkeys then it's ok to portray black politicians the very same way.

    YOU KNOW WHAT? They can freaking handle it. Give 'em some credit. If someone calls Bush a monkey and then someone else calls Obama a monkey and Obama's feelings somehow get more hurt than Bush's did that's on Obama. The fact of the matter is it is tasteless to call anyone a monkey. But it isn't worse to do it to Obama. He's not a special sensitive person who needs to fear whitey. Obama owns this country for Christ's sake. You think he gives a crap about a monkey picture?

    I went to some class on racism as part of training for a volunteer shelter job. Anywayz one of the things they pushed was that there is no such thing as reverse racism. I thought that was a load of CRAP. But they'd accept no disagreement. They INSISTED racism can only exist when someone of power devalues someone weaker.

    OBAMA IS THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD.

    According to all the sensitive let me teach you about racism whackos it is now IMPOSSIBLE for anything anyone does to Obama to be considered racist because Obama is the man with the power.
    Throwing ideas of whether somebody's feelings is being hurt, who's at the top of the power structure and whether they can "take it" is hopelessly muddying the topic of whether something is racist or not.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments ever on this forum.

    It offends African Americans for a black person to be compared to a monkey. Based on 200 plus years of history, African Americans see comparing a black person to a monkey as racist.

    Therefore, if someone does not want to offend African Americans, then they should not draw and publish a cartoon where someone thats black is compared to a monkey. It's that simple. Its not a limitation on the press or speech, anyone is free to publish anything they want, its just that when you offend an entire race by making a comparison in a cartoon that for over 200 years has been racist comparison, then don't be surprised when a majority of Americans consider it racist.
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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Agreed, but there is a difference between assigning a comparison that is situational and one that is uniformly assigned to an entire group based on their race. In one case, a person must actually do something to attain comparison of a monkey or really, really look like one. In the the other case, all a person has to do is belong to a genetic group and bam! The monkey comparison is used. Why else would the monkey picture even be used in proximity to the picture of Obama? It's not like he looks or acts like one. I mean, if you're going to start using a picture of an animal, why not a lemur, or a koala bear, or a giraffe? They make about as much sense. But no, it's always...the monkey.
    Or...now stay with me here because this might be a little complicated after everyone being lobotomized with the racist chant again...it could be that a monkey is a caricature of an unevolved man and the comparison to a monkey comes when we think someone is stupid or less than adept at all the things a human should be.

    It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with it being a convenient and highly appropriate comparison.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Then Obama got elected. If we were a horribly racist country it couldn't have happened. So what did I learn? Despite everything all the race card players have forever been trying to tell me America is not all that racist anymore. We're just not. I, for one, think it's fantastic.
    I agree. Obama becoming President was a huge step in the right direction for race relations. It's obvious that now people who are racist against black people are in the minority otherwise he wouldn't have been elected. And unfortunately this won't stop activist groups from getting up in arms over the most trivial bull**** even if it's clear that there is no racism going on. It also doesn't stop the minority of racist people in this country from continuing to be racist as hell.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Or...now stay with me here
    No, I won't. I entered this thread in good faith and you started acting like a prick towards me. Play with someone else.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments ever on this forum.

    It offends African Americans for a black person to be compared to a monkey. Based on 200 plus years of history, African Americans see comparing a black person to a monkey as racist.

    Therefore, if someone does not want to offend African Americans, then they should not draw and publish a cartoon where someone thats black is compared to a monkey. It's that simple. Its not a limitation on the press or speech, anyone is free to publish anything they want, its just that when you offend an entire race by making a comparison in a cartoon that for over 200 years has been racist comparison, then don't be surprised when a majority of Americans consider it racist.
    Except that the cartoon wasn't aimed at Obama as he didn't write the Stimulus package. A lot of people completely misunderstood that.

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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Except that the cartoon wasn't aimed at Obama as he didn't write the Stimulus package. A lot of people completely misunderstood that.
    Everyone in America rightly or wrongly associates the stimulus package with Obama. Its obvious that the reference was to the individual that everyone associates the package with.
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    Re: Racist or not Racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments ever on this forum.

    It offends African Americans for a black person to be compared to a monkey. Based on 200 plus years of history, African Americans see comparing a black person to a monkey as racist.

    Therefore, if someone does not want to offend African Americans, then they should not draw and publish a cartoon where someone thats black is compared to a monkey. It's that simple. Its not a limitation on the press or speech, anyone is free to publish anything they want, its just that when you offend an entire race by making a comparison in a cartoon that for over 200 years has been racist comparison, then don't be surprised when a majority of Americans consider it racist.
    Agreed. In order for it to be different, you'd have to "reboot" American history and culture. While that's certainly not a bad idea on many levels, it's a tad unrealistic.

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