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Racist or not Racist.

Which of these pictures are Racist?


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It is indeed.
And as for the thread as a whole, look everybody: I’m as much for a race-less society as any of you. Race is more or less a fiction used to divide people. But to pretend that racism is dead, or even to pretend that institutionalized racism is dead is not only ludicrous, but dangerous. It’s akin to celebrating the eradication of small pox before the job is done.
From racial profiling by police, to the insane incarceration rates of black men, to harsher sentences for the same crimes, to the racists you describe as “Joe” being very politically active, to things as simple as the drastic steps homeowners associations take to keep the neighborhood “desirable,” institutionalized racism is alive and well in America. I wish it weren’t so.

The top three causes of death for 15-24 year old black males. 2004
http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/04black.pdf
Homicide, death by unintentional injury, and suicide. Nothing wrong with this culture, they're just misunderstood. Who's killing all these young males? The guys in prison maybe? A culture that produces statistics like this is broken. Blaming it off on someone else will never fix the problem.
 
This thread is full of racism:(
 
The top three causes of death for 15-24 year old black males. 2004
http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/04black.pdf
Homicide, death by unintentional injury, and suicide. Nothing wrong with this culture, they're just misunderstood. Who's killing all these young males? The guys in prison maybe? A culture that produces statistics like this is broken. Blaming it off on someone else will never fix the problem.
Where does culture come from? Is it not a response to the political environment that we find ourselves in? The problems in Black culture, and I admit there are many, emerged as a response to a hostile political system, from slavery to Jim Crow, to Reagan, to capitalism itself. You should learn to attribute these things to a history of oppresion, rather the presumed racial inferiority you currently attribute it to.
 
Where does culture come from? Is it not a response to the political environment that we find ourselves in? The problems in Black culture, and I admit there are many, emerged as a response to a hostile political system, from slavery to Jim Crow, to Reagan, to capitalism itself. You should learn to attribute these things to a history of oppresion, rather the presumed racial inferiority you currently attribute it to.

You should step off and not try to judge my motive. Your arrogance is breath taking.

If the statistics had been thus during the most oppressive racial injustice I would agree to some extent with your hostile political theory, but not so. The less oppression the worse the statistics. While the blacks were being outwardly discriminated against they tended not to kill each other at these rates, and their test scores were equal to or superior to the white schools before forced integration. Only after white liberals began to insist that they must be helped did the real decline begin. Blacks don't need the so called help, they are not inferior in any way and only the race pimps have a vested interest in convincing anyone to the contrary. The Libs want a reliable voting block so they continue to push the idea that the game is rigged and only they can represent. Absolute unadulterated B.S.

If a black leader with the character of MLK jr. stepped out from the huddle today and begin calling the plays, there would be nothing but forward progress. The problem is that Sharpton, Jackson and the like are the equivalent to the Jewish tax collector in the biblical times, willing to sell their race for a profit.
 
If the statistics had been thus during the most oppressive racial injustice I would agree to some extent with your hostile political theory, but not so. The less oppression the worse the statistics. While the blacks were being outwardly discriminated against they tended not to kill each other at these rates, and their test scores were equal to or superior to the white schools before forced integration. Only after white liberals began to insist that they must be helped did the real decline begin.
Without the most basic human rights (which Black American people have technically enjoyed for nearly 45 years now) crime is not much of an issue. So only after blacks achieved emancipation from slavery and legally sanctioned oppresion did the "decline" begin? And when technical, legal (though obviously not substantive or institutional) equality was achieved, all of the inequalities and problems inflicted on Black culture from the outside are presumed to have vanished instantly? And no violence or crime committed by people within the Black community should have been expected? I suggest not. I suggest that the economic inequality fueled by slavery, seggregation, Jim Crow and so forth is still largely in place. As is the notion enforced over the centuries (yes, even now in the Obama era) that Black people are not really allowed or expected to have much of a viable place in the system. The poverty inflicted on the Black community perpetuates the violence you speak of.
When a system fails to provide adequate representation to a given group the result is the formation of organized crime and gangs. When a system fails to provide adequate economic opportunity to a group, the result is the pursuit of illegal trade such as the drug trade. This is not unique to Black people or Black culture.
The echoes of a history of violence and oppression against Black people have their effects today. And besides that, the American capitalist system continues to offer inadequate representation and inadequate economic opportunity to the Black community. The negative aspects of Black culture that you blame for all these problems are a symptom of the negative aspects of capitalism.
If a black leader with the character of MLK jr. stepped out from the huddle today and begin calling the plays, there would be nothing but forward progress.
If a Black leader with the character of MLK jr. stepped out from the huddle today, consevatives would denounce him or her as an Un-American socialst, and he or she would probably be assassinated very quickly.
 
Without the most basic human rights (which Black American people have technically enjoyed for nearly 45 years now) crime is not much of an issue. So only after blacks achieved emancipation from slavery and legally sanctioned oppresion did the "decline" begin? And when technical, legal (though obviously not substantive or institutional) equality was achieved, all of the inequalities and problems inflicted on Black culture from the outside are presumed to have vanished instantly? And no violence or crime committed by people within the Black community should have been expected? I suggest not. I suggest that the economic inequality fueled by slavery, seggregation, Jim Crow and so forth is still largely in place. As is the notion enforced over the centuries (yes, even now in the Obama era) that Black people are not really allowed or expected to have much of a viable place in the system. The poverty inflicted on the Black community perpetuates the violence you speak of.
When a system fails to provide adequate representation to a given group the result is the formation of organized crime and gangs. When a system fails to provide adequate economic opportunity to a group, the result is the pursuit of illegal trade such as the drug trade. This is not unique to Black people or Black culture.
The echoes of a history of violence and oppression against Black people have their effects today. And besides that, the American capitalist system continues to offer inadequate representation and inadequate economic opportunity to the Black community. The negative aspects of Black culture that you blame for all these problems are a symptom of the negative aspects of capitalism.

If a Black leader with the character of MLK jr. stepped out from the huddle today, consevatives would denounce him or her as an Un-American socialst, and he or she would probably be assassinated very quickly.

I would watch your tongue, MLK was a registered republican and no conservatives would not label him a socialist, if anything republicans would back Martin. Blacks were not being affored there rights promised to them under the constitution, anybody who believes in upholding the constitution would side with Martin.
 
I would watch your tongue, MLK was a registered republican and no conservatives would not label him a socialist, if anything republicans would back Martin. Blacks were not being affored there rights promised to them under the constitution, anybody who believes in upholding the constitution would side with Martin.

Hysterical race baiters swaddled in their own dishonesty will often fail to grasp the fact that it was democrats who stood against desegregation and the whole civil rights movement. Funny how they forget the true injustices when offered a "gimme" or a handout by the same people later.
 
I didn't grow up in America but I always end up raising eyebrows because I don't know what is consider offensive and racist. I can see this upsetting people but not the New Yorker cartoon, congress was behind the stimulus bill, not Obama.

Anyway here is a fun story. I was talking to my black neighbor, I'm white, we live at the edge of the woods and I tell her, "Hey, I left my light on last night and there was at least 10 'coons (racoons) rumbling over the bread I throw out there last night."

Coons is a derogatory term for blacks and I did not know that. Heh, :Oopsie She was very nice about it too by the way.
 
I didn't grow up in America but I always end up raising eyebrows because I don't know what is consider offensive and racist. I can see this upsetting people but not the New Yorker cartoon, congress was behind the stimulus bill, not Obama.

Anyway here is a fun story. I was talking to my black neighbor, I'm white, we live at the edge of the woods and I tell her, "Hey, I left my light on last night and there was at least 10 'coons (racoons) rumbling over the bread I throw out there last night."

Coons is a derogatory term for blacks and I did not know that. Heh, :Oopsie She was very nice about it too by the way.

I use " 'coon" all the time. Got photo of five or six 'coons' in the tree in front of my house looking down at me.

If the negros....er blacks want to think I mean them when I'm talking about cute bandit masked animals, they're the ones with the problem, not me. I'm not obligated to alter my mode of speech to make them happy.
 
Picture A:


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Racist or not?

Not racist at all.

I think people are sensitive on both sides and it does go OTT sometimes.

As we all have a common ancestor with these animals, i would hardly use it to demean.

Besides, apes and monkeys are extraordinary, orangutans in particular are so beautiful and clever.
 
It is indeed.
And as for the thread as a whole, look everybody: I’m as much for a race-less society as any of you. Race is more or less a fiction used to divide people. But to pretend that racism is dead, or even to pretend that institutionalized racism is dead is not only ludicrous, but dangerous. It’s akin to celebrating the eradication of small pox before the job is done.
From racial profiling by police, to the insane incarceration rates of black men, to harsher sentences for the same crimes, to the racists you describe as “Joe” being very politically active, to things as simple as the drastic steps homeowners associations take to keep the neighborhood “desirable,” institutionalized racism is alive and well in America. I wish it weren’t so.


Ah-HA! The EEEEEVILLLLE bugaboo "racial profiling by police"! Oh, MIGOD! What are we going to do! The cops can't be allowed to look for criminals that match the description, they have to suspect EVERYONE. You ladies....better watch out...there's a rapist in the neighborhood....and the cops have to arrest and interrogate as many women as men, or they'd be "profiling".

Can't have that.

Sorry, folks. Racial profiling is a necessary and essential tool of police work. It's damn stupid to say it's not.

Making pregnant white women drink their own breast milk or throw it away because some muslim male terrorist brought a bottle of what might have been an explosive precursor on an airplane? Gimme a break.

Everyone has to go through a full body cavity search (wtf do ya think those metal detectors are for?) and full luggage search before boarding an airplane...when the statistics say the problem is "middle-eastern males between the ages of 15 and 40?" ...so 80 year old ladies are singled out "randomly" for searches?

I think you people need to take a LONG hard look at the Second Amendment. It's quite plain, isn't it?
 
I didn't grow up in America but I always end up raising eyebrows because I don't know what is consider offensive and racist. I can see this upsetting people but not the New Yorker cartoon, congress was behind the stimulus bill, not Obama.

Anyway here is a fun story. I was talking to my black neighbor, I'm white, we live at the edge of the woods and I tell her, "Hey, I left my light on last night and there was at least 10 'coons (racoons) rumbling over the bread I throw out there last night."

Coons is a derogatory term for blacks and I did not know that. Heh, :Oopsie She was very nice about it too by the way.

I had a similar experience when I called the neighbor's kid a little yard ape. We used to hear kids referred to that way all the time. I had no idea that out here on the West Coast, it was a derogatory term for black person.

Their mom just thought it was funny. She has taken to calling them that now too.
 
Coons is a derogatory term for blacks and I did not know that. Heh, :Oopsie She was very nice about it too by the way.

Lol, i have never heard of 'coon' before, is it that offensive to blacks?
 
Lol, i have never heard of 'coon' before, is it that offensive to blacks?

Depends on how weak the black guy's ego is or what he thinks he can sue you for.

I grew up with black men coming to my who worked on a driveway paving crew with my old man. Every so-called "derogatory" you think you know for black people...they used all the time on each other.
 
Every so-called "derogatory" you think you know for black people...they used all the time on each other.

Well, i can't say i'm surprised over that. I use alot of terms on my black friends all the time and vice versa.
 
jallman said:
Hysterical race baiters swaddled in their own dishonesty will often fail to grasp the fact that it was democrats who stood against desegregation and the whole civil rights movement. Funny how they forget the true injustices when offered a "gimme" or a handout by the same people later.

Why do you continually ignore the changes that occurred, mainly in the sixties where the Southern Democrats became unhappy with the party leading to a switch in the party dynamics that culminated in Nixon embracing the Southern strategy. Really it has more to do with region and culture than political parties.

thabigred said:
I would watch your tongue, MLK was a registered republican and no conservatives would not label him a socialist, if anything republicans would back Martin. Blacks were not being affored there rights promised to them under the constitution, anybody who believes in upholding the constitution would side with Martin.

I wouldn't be so sure about this, it might be true for the historical republican party, but I don't know about the current one. They certainly seem fine with denying people rights that by all accounts they should be given according to the Constitution.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Well, let's see...

We got a black guy as President, if the rumors about his birth in Hawaii are proven true.

We got a black guy as Attorney General.

...

Really, one can't name a niche in the public fabric of America that doesn't have it's share of successful black people in it.

What does this have to do with racism not existing in America anymore?

The only place racism is known to still exist is the NAACP, the KKK, and the Democrat party.

So you're contradicting yourself here, you say racism doesn't exist in American and then list groups you consider racist that exist in America. So maybe I was wrong and your problem isn't so much being moronic as having dissociative identity disorder.

Even ignoring the possibilities of racism existing in places like the justice system racism is still certainly around in individuals and groups that hold racist views like the KKK and WAR.
 
Hysterical race baiters swaddled in their own dishonesty will often fail to grasp the fact that it was democrats who stood against desegregation and the whole civil rights movement. Funny how they forget the true injustices when offered a "gimme" or a handout by the same people later.

In all fairness both political parties were against the civil rights being awarded to African Americans, the majority of the country apposed it.
 
My wife and kids, the dad,

"I-- have a dream--- that colors and whites can be washed together at the same time!"

Best laundry joke ever. (Please don't tell me how you could rinse your clothes too -_-).
 
Without the most basic human rights (which Black American people have technically enjoyed for nearly 45 years now) crime is not much of an issue. So only after blacks achieved emancipation from slavery and legally sanctioned oppresion did the "decline" begin? And when technical, legal (though obviously not substantive or institutional) equality was achieved, all of the inequalities and problems inflicted on Black culture from the outside are presumed to have vanished instantly? And no violence or crime committed by people within the Black community should have been expected? I suggest not. I suggest that the economic inequality fueled by slavery, seggregation, Jim Crow and so forth is still largely in place. As is the notion enforced over the centuries (yes, even now in the Obama era) that Black people are not really allowed or expected to have much of a viable place in the system. The poverty inflicted on the Black community perpetuates the violence you speak of.
When a system fails to provide adequate representation to a given group the result is the formation of organized crime and gangs. When a system fails to provide adequate economic opportunity to a group, the result is the pursuit of illegal trade such as the drug trade. This is not unique to Black people or Black culture.
The echoes of a history of violence and oppression against Black people have their effects today. And besides that, the American capitalist system continues to offer inadequate representation and inadequate economic opportunity to the Black community. The negative aspects of Black culture that you blame for all these problems are a symptom of the negative aspects of capitalism.

If a Black leader with the character of MLK jr. stepped out from the huddle today, consevatives would denounce him or her as an Un-American socialst, and he or she would probably be assassinated very quickly.

I'm unsure how you can square this type of vitriol with your tolerant views.

If a Black leader with the character of MLK stepped out today he would have the same message as before...because it's timeless and true. Like it or not conservatives want the black person to succeed, and to be able to say that it was a personal success, not one that came from a special arrangement but from personal determination and sacrifice. MLK did not teach to demand special treatment to make up for the past. His view was simple equality, the rest was up to the individual.

Read Clarence Thomas' book if you haven't, it spells out very clearly what happens when a black man shrugs off the affirmative action strings and achieves outside the designated channels. When a black person succeeds on his own he still is treated as though he's an AA case. It diminishes his success because others just assume he couldn't have risen to the top without it. The real racists despise him for having done so, and set about destroying him personally. Because if he can do it, the whole race machine becomes obsolete.

Capitalism, socialism, fascism, the form of government has nothing to do with the fact that the black community are being lied to and manipulated by the very political group that purports to represent them. The Democrats have been "fighting" for the black community for decades, what do they have to show for it? The statistics I posted earlier.
 
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MLK did not teach to demand special treatment to make up for the past. His view was simple equality, the rest was up to the individual.

People have to stop misusing King.

"Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic."

"No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law."
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A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro"
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