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    Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise a constitutional rights?

    I say no, it is a right not a privilege that can be issued by the government Therefore the government has no business forcing people to purchase licenses in order to exercise what is their constitutional rights.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 02-24-09 at 08:27 AM.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise a constitutional rights?
    What is this leading too?

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What is this leading too?
    I wanted to wait until later but since you asked.

    I am glad my state(Oklahoma) respects the second amendment.

    Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for HB0687

    Bill Status of HB0687 96th General Assembly
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    Short Description: FIREARM OWNERS ID-INSURANCE

    House Sponsors
    Rep. Kenneth Dunkin

    Last Action
    Date Chamber Action
    2/6/2009 House Referred to Rules Committee

    Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance
    430 ILCS 65/4.5 new
    430 ILCS 65/8 from Ch. 38, par. 83-8


    Synopsis As Introduced
    Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that any person who owns a firearm in this State shall maintain a policy of liability insurance in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person. Provides that a person shall be deemed the owner of a firearm after the firearm is lost or stolen until such loss or theft is reported to the police department or sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the owner resides. Provides that the Department of State Police shall revoke and seize a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued under this Act if the Department finds that the person to whom such card was issued possesses or acquires a firearm and does not submit evidence to the Department of State Police that he or she has been issued in his or her name a liability insurance policy in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person. Effective January 1, 2010.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Well thats dumb.

    I wonder if they are going to require that insurance companies come up with a "gun owners" liability insurance program. Your homeowners insurance already covers you for any liability for anything that happens on your property, but rarely do people carry 1 million in coverage, unless they have an umbrella policy. I can't imagine too many insurance companies would be wanting to cover "gunfire" insurance, for wherever you may go. Thats just going to give people deeper pockets to go after, if they get shot. Thus increasing the cost of said insurance over time.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I wanted to wait until later but since you asked.

    I am glad my state(Oklahoma) respects the second amendment.

    Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for HB0687

    Bill Status of HB0687 96th General Assembly
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    Short Description: FIREARM OWNERS ID-INSURANCE

    House Sponsors
    Rep. Kenneth Dunkin

    Last Action
    Date Chamber Action
    2/6/2009 House Referred to Rules Committee

    Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance
    430 ILCS 65/4.5 new
    430 ILCS 65/8 from Ch. 38, par. 83-8


    Synopsis As Introduced
    Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that any person who owns a firearm in this State shall maintain a policy of liability insurance in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person. Provides that a person shall be deemed the owner of a firearm after the firearm is lost or stolen until such loss or theft is reported to the police department or sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the owner resides. Provides that the Department of State Police shall revoke and seize a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued under this Act if the Department finds that the person to whom such card was issued possesses or acquires a firearm and does not submit evidence to the Department of State Police that he or she has been issued in his or her name a liability insurance policy in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person. Effective January 1, 2010.
    Wait, I thought it was pretty much conservative dogma that constitutional rights only applied to the individual as it relates to federal law, not state law.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Being required to carry insurance to exercise any right is an act of treason.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Wait, I thought it was pretty much conservative dogma that constitutional rights only applied to the individual as it relates to federal law, not state law.

    In the case of Bill of Rights abuses it is the federal governments DUTY to uphold the constitution, it is one of the few exceptions where federal law should trump state law. I thought you liberals liked to uphold the constitut.....Oh wait, never mind, you're the side that believes the end justifies the means......sorry, forgot. See! I can play the label game too.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise a constitutional rights?
    Regardless of the subject of the poll, my answer is no.

    Given the intended subject of the poll, my answer is hell no.

    Licensing and registration of guns, on their own, are infringements.
    Requiring insurance to obtain either of those items, even more so.

    Perhaps journalists should be required to obtain professional liability insurance (against libel/slander) before obtaining a license to report the news.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 02-24-09 at 04:30 PM.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Wait, I thought it was pretty much conservative dogma that constitutional rights only applied to the individual as it relates to federal law, not state law.
    However true that may have been at one time, the 14th amendment changes all of that.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Regardless of the subject of the poll, my answer is no.

    Given the intended subject of the poll, my answer is hell no.

    Licensing and registration of guns, on their own, are infringements.
    Requiring insurance to obtain either of those items, even more so.

    Perhaps journalists should be required to obtain professional liability insurance (against libel/slander) before obtaining a license to report the news.
    I am surprised that liberals haven't voted yes yet,perhaps I should have worded the poll "Should you have to purchase liability insurance to own firearms?" to see if they'll vote yes.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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