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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Ok sorry. Let me rephrase. "Of the rights; bear arms, free speech, and abortion (though abortion itself is not technically a right stated in the constitution?), bear arms is the only right that is legally denied."
    Again, not so. Abortions are legally denied under numerous conditions.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's not an infringement of the right to vote, as all the things you're describing are limitations on the right -inherent- to that right.
    So being of age to vote is a limitation of the right to vote. Thus, it is NOT an infringement for the citizen to prove to the government they are of age before they are given their right to vote.

    How is proving you are not a convicted criminal, are of age, and are not mentally handicapped infringements but not limitations of the right to bear arms like the above with voting?
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Again, not so. Abortions are legally denied under numerous conditions.
    I didn't know abortions were called out specifically in the constitution. Where is "right to an abortion" in the constitution?
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So being of age to vote is a limitation of the right to vote. So it is accepted and not an infringement. So it is ok for the citizen to prove they are of age before they are given their right to vote.

    How is are not being a convicted criminal, being of age, and not being mentally handicapped infringements but not limitations of the right to bear arms like the above with voting?
    You are talking about two different things here.
    LICENSING is a precondition not inherent to the right, and thus, an infringement.
    BACKGROUND CHECKS are a form of prior restraint, and thus, an infringement.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I didn't know abortions were called out specifically in the constitution. Where is "right to an abortion" in the constitution?
    -You- included abortion in -your- list.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You are talking about two different things here.
    LICENSING is a precondition not inherent to the right, and thus, an infringement.
    BACKGROUND CHECKS are a form of prior restraint, and thus, an infringement.
    How are they two different things? There are specific requirements you must meet to be eligible for the right as a citizen. You seem to be OK with the requirements being checked in regards to the right to vote but against the requirements being checked in regards to the right to bear arms.

    Given your above statement, checking that I am of age is prior restraint and an infringement to my right to vote isn't it?
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    -You- included abortion in -your- list.
    I was only responding to your initial inclusion...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its amazing, the double-standard held by most on the left, when dealing with rights.

    If someone even suggests adding the restrictions they'd like to place on the right to arms to rights such as free speech or abortion, they go aspe****.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    How are they two different things?
    What part of my explanation of you not understand?

    One infringement derives from a precondition not inherent to a right
    The other infrinvemenr defives from a prior restraint.

    These are different on their face.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Ok sorry. Let me rephrase. "Of the rights; bear arms, free speech, and abortion (though abortion itself is not technically a right stated in the constitution?), bear arms is the only right that is legally denied."

    If you have examples of people being legally denied their right to free speech please let me know and I'll retract the statement.

    Can't incite to riot for some reason. Apparently can't have a bumper sticker which says "Abort Obama, not fetuses". Dissent is something the government doesn't take too kindly to. It's the reason why we should always fight to have all of our rights upheld to the full extent. You can find ways to make sure people who shouldn't have them don't get them. But you can't do so in a way which infringes upon my rights. And because that's they way we set our system up, people who shouldn't get guns will sometimes get guns. That's a consequence of freedom.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What part of my explanation of you not understand?

    One infringement derives from a precondition not inherent to a right
    The other infrinvemenr defives from a prior restraint.

    These are different on their face.
    Both have age restrictions. How is proving you are a specific age a "not inherent right" for one and a "prior restraint" of the other?
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