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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Please tell me exactly [how] you would stop convicted criminals, mentally handicapped, and children from purchasing guns if there are no checks in place when a gun purchase is made.
    Aside from the fact you haven't done anything to counter the argument in my post...

    Without creating prior restraint?
    You cannot.
    But then, the entire idea that you should be able to infringe on peoples' rights in order to do so, as evidenced by the entire concept of prior restraint, is faulty.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What right of yours is being in fringed on? You aren't being denied the right to bare arms
    You are denied that right until you have a license to do so.
    Said license is a precondition to the exercise of right, not ineherent to same.
    -That- is an infringement.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What right of yours is being in fringed on? You aren't being denied the right to bare arms. You can freely buy any weapon available to the public.
    If I have to get a license, that's a form of permission. If I have to ask permission, it's not a right but a privilege. I do not have the "privilege" to keep and bear arms. I have the right to keep and bear arms. I do not need the government's permission, I do not need them to hold my hand, I do not need them to database and watch me because I exercise a right. All those are infringements. You are trying to turn a right into a privilege, and for the government to do that is a form of treason.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    As I said. There is are no restrictions to the right of free speech.
    We are discussing the freedom of the press, not free speech.

    Youe argument is that to exercise a right, you should have to get a license that proves you qualify for said right.

    The operative term here is "proves you qualify" for that right.
    'Qualify' is a broad word.

    Thus, you have not explained why journalists should not have to have licenses, in order to ensure they meet those qualifications.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 02-25-09 at 01:06 PM.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You are denied that right until you have a license to do so.
    Said license is a precondition to the exercise of right, not ineherent to same.
    -That- is an infringement.
    I've talked to many people and it surprises me the number whom do not understand this premise. It's basic, it's fundamental, and I don't think it's being taught anymore. We the People are the sovereign. We the People are in charge. We the People own the government. We the People grated all privilege and power and duty that the government wields. We the People can take all that away at any time we wish. The government obeys We the People or the government can be done away with and replaced with a government which does.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I've talked to many people and it surprises me the number whom do not understand this premise. It's basic, it's fundamental, and I don't think it's being taught anymore. We the People are the sovereign. We the People are in charge. We the People own the government. We the People grated all privilege and power and duty that the government wields. We the People can take all that away at any time we wish. The government obeys We the People or the government can be done away with and replaced with a government which does.
    Its amazing, the double-standard held by most on the left, when dealing with rights.

    If someone even suggests adding the restrictions they'd like to place on the right to arms to rights such as free speech or abortion, they go aspe****.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You are denied that right until you have a license to do so.
    Said license is a precondition to the exercise of right, not ineherent to same.
    -That- is an infringement.
    I can understand that. Personally though, I don't mind proving that I am eligible for the right if it helps remove the ability to get easily get gun for those illegal to posses guns. The same way I prove I have the right to vote (registering) or enter the country as a citizen when traveling internationally.

    With the 2nd amendment it is a infringement on the right if the federal government denies the right. Though they can deny the right for specific groups of people it seems. The states however have the ability to put into place their own restrictions.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its amazing, the double-standard held by most on the left, when dealing with rights.

    If someone even suggests adding the restrictions they'd like to place on the right to arms to rights such as free speech or abortion, they go aspe****.
    Mostly because the right to bare arms is the only right that you can be legally denied. Not all citizens have the right to bare arms.

    There is no such restriction on free speech, religion, etc.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Mostly because the right to bare arms is the only right that you can be legally denied.
    I'll give you an opportunity to think about that some more, and then change your post.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'll give you an opportunity to think about that some more, and then change your post.
    What's there to change? Do we not legally deny criminals, children, and mentally handicapped from baring arms?

    Can a serial killer who just got out of jail go to his nearest gun shop and legally stock up on guns?
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