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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This - "free speech" - has nothing to do with what I said.

    YOU argue that:

    So... should journalists be forced to get a license?
    If not, why not?
    The FCC grants a license to broadcasters and if a journalists breaks the rules the broadcaster will get fined and or reprimanded.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The FCC grants a license to broadcasters and if a journalists breaks the rules the broadcaster will get fined and or reprimanded.
    The FCC (Federal Commie Commission is what I call them) should only enforce piracy laws and that's it. No censorship of any kind.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The FCC grants a license to broadcasters...
    This is a regulatory permit to use public airwaves, not a license to exercise your rights as a journalist.

    It also applies to media broadcast on public airwaves -- it doesnt cover print/cable/internet media.

    So, my question stands:
    Under the argument presented, should journalists be forced to get a license?
    If not, why not?

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is a regulatory permit to use public airwaves, not a license to exercise your rights as a journalist.

    It also applies to media broadcast on public airwaves -- it doesnt cover print/cable/internet media.

    So, my question stands:
    Under the argument presented, should journalists be forced to get a license?
    If not, why not?
    No journalists should not have to get a license since broadcasters already have too.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    No journalists should not have to get a license since broadcasters already have too.
    I am not at all sure how that follows, especially given that the FCC license you speak of isn't a license as the term is used in the argument under scrutiny.


    So, you disgree with the argument that people should prove that they qualify for a right by getting a license?

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So... should journalists be forced to get a license?
    If not, why not?
    As I said. There is are no restrictions to the right of free speech. Thus, there is no need to qualify anyone, even journalists, in their ability to exercise the right.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The last one there needs no expedition. That one needs to be restricted as much as possible. And licensing is a bad bad bad idea that only creates government databasing on people to track and monitor. The government does not have that right. Hell, the government doesn't have rights at all; it merely has duty, privilege, and responsibility granted to it by the People. I have the right to keep and bear arms, it doesn't matter anything else. It doesn't matter if I've taken classes, it doesn't matter how "educated" I am, it doesn't matter what the government says I have to do or what I can or can't own. I have the right to keep and bear arms. Done. I don't need permission to exercise that right, it's a right. Hell, I don't see why we need a CCW to conceal carry; I should be able to conceal carry without notifying the government or getting their permission. And open carry should be assumed legal as well, I have the right to keep and bear arms.
    What if you don't have the right to bare arms? You are a criminal, mentally handicapped, or a child.

    If licensing is not put into practice how are those restrictions to be enforced if there is no way for gun sellers to tell that your right to bare arms is restricted?

    If you can offer another alternative I would most likely before it. I just can't fathom another way to stop restricted individuals from openly purchasing guns that are illegal for them to own.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Asking the government for permission to exercise a right is an infringement of that right, by creating a precindition to the exercise not inherent to same.

    This fails on at least three counts:
    -You do not have to have any degree of education to exercise a right.
    -You do not have to have any degree of ability to exercise a right.
    -You do not have a right to drive on public roads.

    The law already does this.

    Used in this manner, a license is a form of prior restraint.
    Prior restraint is an infringement.
    Please tell me exactly who you would stop convicted criminals, mentally handicapped, and children from purchasing guns if there are no checks in place when a gun purchase is made.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What if you don't have the right to bare arms? You are a criminal, mentally handicapped, or a child.

    If licensing is not put into practice how are those restrictions to be enforced if there is no way for gun sellers to tell that your right to bare arms is restricted?
    Doesn't sound like my ****ing problem. My rights can not be infringed upon, so I guess the State will have to find another way to look after those things which does not infringe upon my rights. The State wants to watch over that, that's their problem, not mine. They damned well best keep their grubby little hands off my rights, my freedom, my liberty, and my property.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Doesn't sound like my ****ing problem. My rights can not be infringed upon, so I guess the State will have to find another way to look after those things which does not infringe upon my rights. The State wants to watch over that, that's their problem, not mine. They damned well best keep their grubby little hands off my rights, my freedom, my liberty, and my property.
    What right of yours is being in fringed on? You aren't being denied the right to bare arms. You can freely buy any weapon available to the public.
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