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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    No, no, just... NO. And no again. ****ing big government ****tards.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    No you should not. You should however be proven you qualify for said right, those licensing comes into play.
    So... journalists should be required to get a license?
    That's actually a good idea. I get to write the test.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Let me ask you this. Is it unconstitutional to deny convicted criminals, mentally handicapped, or children guns?
    No. Not everyone has every right; rights may be removed thru due process.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So... journalists should be required to get a license?
    That's actually a good idea. I get to write the test.
    Are there laws that restrict specific persons from exercising the free speech right? If not, then no they don't need a license.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No. Not everyone has every right; rights may be removed thru due process.
    Exactly.

    Licensing allows for multiple things. 1) It allows tracking of education and ability. Just as a drivers license does. 2) It clearly defines who has the right to carry/own a weapon. This expedites things for gun sellers/owners/ and law enforcement.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Exactly.

    Licensing allows for multiple things. 1) It allows tracking of education and ability. Just as a drivers license does. 2) It clearly defines who has the right to carry/own a weapon. This expedites things for gun sellers/owners/ and law enforcement.
    The last one there needs no expedition. That one needs to be restricted as much as possible. And licensing is a bad bad bad idea that only creates government databasing on people to track and monitor. The government does not have that right. Hell, the government doesn't have rights at all; it merely has duty, privilege, and responsibility granted to it by the People. I have the right to keep and bear arms, it doesn't matter anything else. It doesn't matter if I've taken classes, it doesn't matter how "educated" I am, it doesn't matter what the government says I have to do or what I can or can't own. I have the right to keep and bear arms. Done. I don't need permission to exercise that right, it's a right. Hell, I don't see why we need a CCW to conceal carry; I should be able to conceal carry without notifying the government or getting their permission. And open carry should be assumed legal as well, I have the right to keep and bear arms.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am surprised that liberals haven't voted yes yet,perhaps I should have worded the poll "Should you have to purchase liability insurance to own firearms?" to see if they'll vote yes.
    It's a rather obvious question that anyone should know the answer to. There should be no conditions to you exercising your rights as long as you are not infringing upon the rights of others. It's not a conservative ideology, it's common sense.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Licensing allows for multiple things.
    Asking the government for permission to exercise a right is an infringement of that right, by creating a precindition to the exercise not inherent to same.

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    It allows tracking of education and ability. Just as a drivers license does.
    This fails on at least three counts:
    -You do not have to have any degree of education to exercise a right.
    -You do not have to have any degree of ability to exercise a right.
    -You do not have a right to drive on public roads.

    2) It clearly defines who has the right to carry/own a weapon.
    The law already does this.

    This expedites things for gun sellers/owners/ and law enforcement.
    Used in this manner, a license is a form of prior restraint.
    Prior restraint is an infringement.

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Are there laws that restrict specific persons from exercising the free speech right? If not, then no they don't need a license.
    This - "free speech" - has nothing to do with what I said.

    YOU argue that:
    You should however be proven you qualify for said right
    So... should journalists be forced to get a license?
    If not, why not?

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It's a rather obvious question that anyone should know the answer to.
    Most anti-2nd amendment nuts however would rather see the 2nd amendment repealed or try to make as many laws as possible to make it extremely hard to exercise your 2nd amendment rights. Or they flat deny it is a individual right in order to justify their support for anti-2nd amendment laws like licenses,registrations,waiting periods and etc. I am sure that if I asked " Should you have to purchase liability insurance to in order to purchase and keep fire arms?" ,thus removing any association of constitutional rights from the question, they would come out of the woodwork to vote yes. Perhaps I will ask the same poll question on a very liberal forum to see if the results are the same as this one.
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