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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Meh, sounds like a dumbass way to bring in more revenue for the government and these politicians' cronies in the insurance lobby.

    Firearm accidents really aren't common enough where I think people need to be insured just in case. It would be the equivalent of demanding people carry liability insurance before they buy a box of matches, or a sharp knife, or a kiddie pool. Sure, someone COULD get hurt using any of those things (or a gun)...but it just doesn't happen often enough to require mandatory insurance.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I wanted to wait until later but since you asked.

    I am glad my state(Oklahoma) respects the second amendment.

    Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for HB0687

    Bill Status of HB0687 96th General Assembly
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    Short Description: FIREARM OWNERS ID-INSURANCE

    House Sponsors
    Rep. Kenneth Dunkin

    Last Action
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    2/6/2009 House Referred to Rules Committee

    Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance
    430 ILCS 65/4.5 new
    430 ILCS 65/8 from Ch. 38, par. 83-8


    Synopsis As Introduced
    Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that any person who owns a firearm in this State shall maintain a policy of liability insurance in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person. Provides that a person shall be deemed the owner of a firearm after the firearm is lost or stolen until such loss or theft is reported to the police department or sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the owner resides. Provides that the Department of State Police shall revoke and seize a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued under this Act if the Department finds that the person to whom such card was issued possesses or acquires a firearm and does not submit evidence to the Department of State Police that he or she has been issued in his or her name a liability insurance policy in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person. Effective January 1, 2010.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post

    In the case of Bill of Rights abuses it is the federal governments DUTY to uphold the constitution, it is one of the few exceptions where federal law should trump state law.
    I fully agree. Just remember that next time the supposed conservatives on here get all up in arms over the Federal Judiciary ruling that the states say, can't use public office to endorse or promote specific religious beliefs then.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise a constitutional rights?

    I say no, it is a right not a privilege that can be issued by the government Therefore the government has no business forcing people to purchase licenses in order to exercise what is their constitutional rights.
    No you should not. You should however be proven you qualify for said right, those licensing comes into play.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Illinois, ffs, do you want to be kicked out of the Union?

    If I were in their assembly, I would ask that the measure include "Katanas, Rapiers, Sledgehammers and other sharp or blunt instruments". Then I'd laugh as I was slowly kicked in the nuts.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    NOOO!!!!

    The No option was on top..

    I clicked Yes by accident,

    James you tricky p.o.s
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    No you should not. You should however be proven you qualify for said right, those licensing comes into play.
    Should you have to take speech classes so you do not say something treasonous or slanderous?
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    NOOO!!!!

    The No option was on top..

    I clicked Yes by accident,

    James you tricky p.o.s
    Tricky would be something like this

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-adopting.html (Do you object to gay couples adopting?) and then you look at the poll question and it is this "Would you allow gay people to adopt?", So if you assumed the poll question and the thread title were the same you could be voting against something you didn't intend to vote against.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should you have to take speech classes so you do not say something treasonous or slanderous?
    Talking a class to learn how to NOT do something has nothing to do with it.

    Let me ask you this. Is it unconstitutional to deny convicted criminals, mentally handicapped, or children guns?
    Last edited by Gibberish; 02-24-09 at 09:32 PM.
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    Re: Should you have to purchase insurance to exercise constitutional rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Talking a class to learn how to NOT do something has nothing to do with it.

    Let me ask you this. Is it unconstitutional to deny convicted criminals, mentally handicapped, or children guns?
    No it is not.

    A felon gives up his rights during the commission and conviction of the felony.

    Children have limited rights until the age of adulthood.

    If by mentally handicapped you mean retarded or unable to function in society then they also have limited rights.

    Rights for a mentally fit adult are considered inalienable: incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred. Making insurance or licensing for guns limits someones ability to exorcise that inalienable right. This makes it un-constitutional and anti-freedom.


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