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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Cool. Privatize it... I'd make a fortune and they would make good money. but thats another discussion.
    I have no problem with governments contracting with private fire departments and teachers, as long as the services remain available to everyone. Police should not be privatized though.

    Regardless, it has nothing to do with cost of living adjustments. I see no need for the government to subsidize someone's choice to live in an expensive city.

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    So that his nurse wife can make less money? FAIL....
    So you want the government, you just don't want to pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und
    Perhaps they can cut the STD education and tattoo removal for crack whores first....
    If anyone needs STD education, crack whores are probably at the top of the list. And I'm unaware of any government funding for tattoo removal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und
    Oh I know. Stop funding abortions with my tax dollars.... YEah start there then get back to me.....
    Where did you get the impression that you shouldn't have to pay for anything the government does that you disapprove of? And that opposing certain types of spending is somehow a justification to oppose ALL types of spending?

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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The article specified that it was people making over $250K a year, but still, three percent more of $250K is such a trifling sum.
    Correct. Even if we look at the bare minimum case (exactly $250K) and assume that they were paying the full 3% more (which they wouldn't be), that's still only $7,500. And the money means less and less as the income increases from there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal
    We all know that anyone who makes more than $250K a year doesn't need that money as much as the government does.
    Correct. The government needs it for education, health care, a sane energy policy, and infrastructure improvements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal
    It's not like they have families or homes or businesses to take care of, nor is the state of the economy of any importance to these evil rich people.
    It has nothing to do with "evil rich people." It has to do with the government needing money...and it's better to get it from people who actually HAVE money, just as it's better to try to get milk from a cow than from a bull.

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    Tell me, my liberal do-gooder, how many people are under your employ?
    That's none of your business. But more than zero.

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    How much tax revenue do you contribute to our frugal government?
    That is also none of your business.

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    I guess your compassion only extends to people with a sob story; success stories, it seems, are a great way to earn the resentment and dismissal of leftists.
    See above re: getting money from people who actually HAVE money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal
    You mean you actually want to keep the money you earned!? Youíve got some nerve! There are poor people out there who donít feel like crawling out the bottle today! They need healthcare and welfare! Who are YOU to deny them access to your wallet?

    Typical crusading leftist who is just so generous...with other people's money.
    If you actually have some sort of economic point to make, instead of hysterical arguments against what you imagine I believe, be sure to let me know.
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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Hopefully people making more than a few 100K a year will have to pay more. Otherwise, why did we elect a Democrat?
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    In the nyc metro area that is a firefighter and a nurse. Those rich assholes need to pay more!
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So is there a uhaul in the stimulous? And is there a job available for them in liberalville?



    What of the areas needs for firefighters and nurses? How naive a position my friend
    I'm going to need a link for firefighters and nurses making more than a few hundred thousand a year.

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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I'm going to need a link for firefighters and nurses making more than a few hundred thousand a year.

    Flunk.




    The "flunk" is you claiming I said they made a "few hundered thousand a year"....


    Oh wait. The semantics game... Yeah!

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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Its about time that Americans actually payed for the costs of a war. As much as I am a libertarian, to me, war is the ultimate state action. I don't understand how some conservatives think that they can simultaneously fight wars and reduce the size of government expenditures. It is just not possible.

    Wars chew up huge amounts of capital. Period. At least Obama is realistic about the cost of the war, and if Americans are actually being taxed to pay for the war, as opposed to palming it off to future generations; then maybe some Americans will be more reflective about foreign policy.

    Am I saying that the war in Iraq or Afghanistan is wrong?

    No I am not. In fact I saw the news report the other day that the Pakistan Army is willing to drop it offensive against the Taliban in return for peace, on the basis that sharia law is installed. I am enraged about this decision. What good is peace if 50% of the population is enslaved and is denied education? I say the Pakistan Army should keep up the offensive and string the Taliban from street lights.... If Pakistan is not willing to fight for womens rights, or some sort of moderate society that is not a theological nightmare, then what is the point of fighting? The object of war is not to start and then give up half way. If you can't take the casualties and the horrors then don't get bogged down in the dogs of war.....

    Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue......

    Anyway here is my point, I am a libertarian and a realist, and I do think at times that high taxation is needed if you want to fight wars.

    The argument that it stifles the economy is correct, but that is the logical consequence of reallocating resources and capital towards war production. Thus if you place a greater priority on the economy and limited government, then logically and philosophically you really need to support isolationism or even private armies as advocated by some anarcho-capitalists. If on the other hand you support the war against terrorism, then that means that you will have to give up some of your income so that the government actually has money and resources for the bullets and bombs and spies to kill terrorists.


    Freedom isn't free in terms of human life or material cost......
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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Hopefully people making more than a few 100K a year will have to pay more. Otherwise, why did we elect a Democrat?
    In the nyc metro area that is a firefighter and a nurse. Those rich assholes need to pay more!
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The "flunk" is you claiming I said they made a "few hundered thousand a year"....


    Oh wait. The semantics game... Yeah!

    FAIL
    You quoted him and gave that response. You said that NYC metro area firefighters and nurses fit that description!

    It's not a semantics game when you don't comprehend the posts you quote and respond to. There is a word for it though.
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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    I just got back from work after thinking about that almost the entire time.

    Do firefighters and nurses in NYC seriously make more than $250k a year (i.e. The minimum amount needed to see a tax rise)? And I mean your average firefighter, not the chief or anyone special.
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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    Its about time that Americans actually payed for the costs of a war. As much as I am a libertarian, to me, war is the ultimate state action. I don't understand how some conservatives think that they can simultaneously fight wars and reduce the size of government expenditures. It is just not possible.

    Wars chew up huge amounts of capital. Period. At least Obama is realistic about the cost of the war, and if Americans are actually being taxed to pay for the war, as opposed to palming it off to future generations; then maybe some Americans will be more reflective about foreign policy.

    Am I saying that the war in Iraq or Afghanistan is wrong?

    No I am not. In fact I saw the news report the other day that the Pakistan Army is willing to drop it offensive against the Taliban in return for peace, on the basis that sharia law is installed. I am enraged about this decision. What good is peace if 50% of the population is enslaved and is denied education? I say the Pakistan Army should keep up the offensive and string the Taliban from street lights.... If Pakistan is not willing to fight for womens rights, or some sort of moderate society that is not a theological nightmare, then what is the point of fighting? The object of war is not to start and then give up half way. If you can't take the casualties and the horrors then don't get bogged down in the dogs of war.....

    Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue......

    Anyway here is my point, I am a libertarian and a realist, and I do think at times that high taxation is needed if you want to fight wars.

    The argument that it stifles the economy is correct, but that is the logical consequence of reallocating resources and capital towards war production. Thus if you place a greater priority on the economy and limited government, then logically and philosophically you really need to support isolationism or even private armies as advocated by some anarcho-capitalists. If on the other hand you support the war against terrorism, then that means that you will have to give up some of your income so that the government actually has money and resources for the bullets and bombs and spies to kill terrorists.


    Freedom isn't free in terms of human life or material cost......
    Quoted for Truth. The American Right is still supporting a costly war they never intended to pay for with their own money.
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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Correct. Even if we look at the bare minimum case (exactly $250K) and assume that they were paying the full 3% more (which they wouldn't be), that's still only $7,500. And the money means less and less as the income increases from there.
    What do you mean that's "only $7,500"? $7,500 dollars is not a paltry sum; especially for a small business owner with a family and a mortgage.

    Correct. The government needs it for education, health care, a sane energy policy, and infrastructure improvements.
    I'm not contesting the fact that the mental midgets in Washington need money to pay for the vast array of government programs they've enacted. I'm disputing the notion that they somehow need it more than people like my dad, i.e. small business owners with a family and a mortgage, or that it actually matters what the fat-cats in Washington want or need.

    It has nothing to do with "evil rich people." It has to do with the government needing money...and it's better to get it from people who actually HAVE money, just as it's better to try to get milk from a cow than from a bull.
    While you're milking the cow you'll manage to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Our economy is in a very bad spot right now and Americans from all walks of life are going to need every red cent to stay afloat. That money could go a long way for a small business owner in keeping people under his employ and keeping his family under a roof.

    The inability of Washington fat-cats to spend within their means is not a valid justification for raising taxes.

    That's none of your business. But more than zero.
    Yet you've invited yourself to manage the contents of other people's wallets...how ironic indeed.

    See above re: getting money from people who actually HAVE money.
    I'm not sure why simply having money is justification for taking it and allocating it towards programs from which the taxed individual will derive no conceivable benefit.

    If you actually have some sort of economic point to make, instead of hysterical arguments against what you imagine I believe, be sure to let me know.
    If you have some valid moral principle from which you are trying to argue be sure to let me know.

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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    While you're milking the cow you'll manage to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Our economy is in a very bad spot right now and Americans from all walks of life are going to need every red cent to stay afloat. That money could go a long way for a small business owner in keeping people under his employ and keeping his family under a roof.
    It sounds like you describe rich people with no understanding of the real world works. That a person with a low income or regular middle class background useally know it can come rainy days. If you then have worked you way up and earn 250 K a year, you understand that it could be good to save some of those money and also that you have the ability to do that. Instead you seem like describing people feed up with a golden spoon that think money can be spend recklesly without any though about the future.

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