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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Will people have to pay more or not? Fail
    The people will have to pay an amount closer to what they should have been paying all along.
    Also " the people" are the rich people, so they will have to cut back on their lattes and French restaurants..

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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Nope real world example of any metropolitian area paying cops, firemen, teachers what they are worth... Pay attention...
    Uhh well you flat-out rejected the idea that the market determines what they are worth. So who DO you think determines what they are worth? You?

    I still don't know what you're asking. If a certain city is having trouble finding cops or firemen or teachers, they can pay them higher wages and they will find more.

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    How do you expect the .gov to pay these higher wages? face it when the government is involved we all lose.
    The government can pay their wages by raising taxes.

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    yeah.... you fail and its not even funny anymore.
    If you don't want to learn some ****ing 10th grade economics, then why the hell are you wasting my time demanding that *I* find this **** for you? Find it your goddamned self from now on.
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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Are we even talking about the same thing anymore?

    Let me make it REAAAAL simple for you...

    I pay no taxes, I get a tax check of 600 bucks... Is that or is that no welfare.


    Do try to keep up. Thanks.

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    Doesn't answer anything I said but ummm sure. Hey if 3% would have screwed you over you either weren't making enough or were living beyond your means.

    Apparently due to your belovede dear leader many of us are..... NINJA loans. look it up....







    What percentage of a fireman's pay is taxed out as it is? The same as everybody elses? If yes. Why should they get life cheaper then the rest of us? What are they? Stereotypical Jews or something?

    Yes they are taxed the same. And yes they should be exempt because of the service they provide and because they are underpaid..... Again, that is the populist in me. Don't let me out liberal you....


    BTW Should I say something about "lazy dope smoking niggers" now? Please lets not degrade this discussion into race baiting....


    Not my fault or for that matter that of anybody who doesn't live in a major city if there are extra costs associated with living in a city. How about a little 'personal responsibility' for your actions? I keep hearing Libertarians and Conservatives using it. I don't have a sky scrapper outside my window but I wouldn't trade what I currently have for living in a city. Why? 1. The costs wouldn't justify it. 2. The costs wouldn't justify it. 3. The costs wouldn't justify it.

    Wow.... so you are liberal, until someone dares critisize your dear leader. How sad.....


    The reason these people are underpaid is because of the government. Perhaps you don't get that..... Trustifarians tend to be like this..... are you one?

    I gotta ask .


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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Uhh well you flat-out rejected the idea that the market determines what they are worth. So who DO you think determines what they are worth? You?

    I still don't know what you're asking. If a certain city is having trouble finding cops or firemen or teachers, they can pay them higher wages and they will find more.

    Cool. Privatize it... I'd make a fortune and they would make good money. but thats another discussion.





    The government can pay their wages by raising taxes.

    So that his nurse wife can make less money? FAIL....


    Perhaps they can cut the STD education and tattoo removal for crack whores first....


    Oh I know. Stop funding abortions with my tax dollars.... YEah start there then get back to me.....









    If you don't want to learn some ****ing 10th grade economics, then why the hell are you wasting my time demanding that *I* find this **** for you? Find it your goddamned self from now on.


    Sorry man, I think you dropped this





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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Let me make it REAAAAL simple for you...

    I pay no taxes, I get a tax check of 600 bucks... Is that or is that no welfare.

    Do try to keep up. Thanks.
    Ummm sure. It is? So what?

    Apparently due to your belovede dear leader many of us are..... NINJA loans. look it up....
    Ninja loans. - You mean making a bank apply the same standards to all low income applicants regardless of race? I've already debunked this claim when it was made by aquapub but here :

    snopes.com: Obama Required Banks to Lend Money to Poor People

    The 1994 case of Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank had nothing to do with requiring lenders to do business with people "who could not show proof that they could pay the money back." The case was a class-action lawsuit against Citibank Federal Savings on behalf of a black Chicago woman, Selma Buycks-Roberson, who claimed she was unfairly denied a mortgage based on her race. The lawsuit sought to end the practice of redlining, a discriminatory practice by which banks, insurance companies, and other business institutions refuse or limit loans, mortgages, insurance, etc., based solely on the geographic area in which the applicant lives (a practice that commonly excludes minorities in inner-city neighborhoods, regardless of their income or ability to pay). Specifically, the lawsuit charged that Citibank "rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories." The case was eventually settled out of court, with some class members receiving cash payments and Citibank agreeing to help ease the way for low- and moderate-income people to apply for mortgages.

    Although Barack Obama was involved with the Buycks-Roberson case, he did not file the lawsuit, nor was he the lead attorney in the matter. He was a junior member of an eight-lawyer team that worked on the case:
    Obama represented Calvin Roberson in a 1994 lawsuit against Citibank, charging the bank systematically denied mortgages to African-American applicants and others from minority neighborhoods.
    Please stop this lie?

    Yes they are taxed the same. And yes they should be exempt because of the service they provide and because they are underpaid..... Again, that is the populist in me. Don't let me out liberal you....
    They should. They could. But they're not. What exactly is your point here? That people shouldn't be taxed based on your opinion? That people should be paid what you think they should be paid and not what their employers think they should get paid?

    BTW Should I say something about "lazy dope smoking niggers" now? Please lets not degrade this discussion into race baiting....
    Did you even get what I wrote? Talk about being unable to catch anything other then what you want to see. Alright no ability to use abstract humor. Check.

    Wow.... so you are liberal, until someone dares critisize your dear leader. How sad.....
    Criticize Obama how? Where did I even bring up Obama? I thought were discussing tax hikes. Which I have no problem with. Specially 3%. Which isn't going to hurt me in the least bit and it's not going to hurt the overwhelming majority of whom don't pay taxes to begin with.

    The reason these people are underpaid is because of the government. Perhaps you don't get that..... Trustifarians tend to be like this..... are you one?[

    I gotta ask .
    . Trustafarians. Cute. But ummm the simple answer is No. The long answer is Noooooooooooope. You seem not to get it. I don't care if people live in cities have to pay more for their **** then I do. I don't care if people in the middle of Conservative Nowheresville, Alabama have to pay more for a pack of smokes then I do. It was their choice to live where they do. I've grown to accept the fact that people must accept responsibility for where they choose to live and unless they strive to leave the places they keep complaining about then I have no reason to expect the government to help them anymore then it already does. I don't care if you live in the ghetto, rural community or space colony.
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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Your huffing and puffing might be a little more believable if I didn't think you'd do exactly the same thing no matter HOW large or small Obama's tax hike was. Let's have some perspective here. Raising the tax rate from 35% to 38% on people making more than ~$350K is not going to cause the armageddon. We had higher tax rates in the 80s and 90s, and we were fine.
    The article specified that it was people making over $250K a year, but still, three percent more of $250K is such a trifling sum. We all know that anyone who makes more than $250K a year doesn't need that money as much as the government does. It's not like they have families or homes or businesses to take care of, nor is the state of the economy of any importance to these evil rich people.

    Tell me, my liberal do-gooder, how many people are under your employ? How much tax revenue do you contribute to our frugal government? I guess your compassion only extends to people with a sob story; success stories, it seems, are a great way to earn the resentment and dismissal of leftists.

    You mean you actually want to keep the money you earned!? Youíve got some nerve! There are poor people out there who donít feel like crawling out the bottle today! They need healthcare and welfare! Who are YOU to deny them access to your wallet?

    Typical crusading leftist who is just so generous...with other people's money.

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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ummm sure. It is? So what?



    Ninja loans. - You mean making a bank apply the same standards to all low income applicants regardless of race? I've already debunked this claim when it was made by aquapub but here :

    snopes.com: Obama Required Banks to Lend Money to Poor People

    \ so nobody who did not deserve a loan got one? Gee recession avoided. Thanks Hautey.....






    Please stop this lie?
    I am trying but you keep telling em....






    They should. They could. But they're not. What exactly is your point here? That people shouldn't be taxed based on your opinion? That people should be paid what you think they should be paid and not what their employers think they should get paid?

    I think employers should pay what they can pay. market and all... The fedgov and statgov are not fair markets. sorry....






    Did you even get what I wrote? Talk about being unable to catch anything other then what you want to see. Alright no ability to use abstract humor. Check.


    throwing out idiotic race baiting nonsense.... CHECK.






    Criticize Obama how? Where did I even bring up Obama? I thought were discussing tax hikes. Which I have no problem with. Specially 3%. Which isn't going to hurt me in the least bit and it's not going to hurt the overwhelming majority of whom don't pay taxes to begin with.

    Proof that it wont hurt the majority of people.


    Links and quotes please.





    . Trustafarians. Cute. But ummm the simple answer is No. The long answer is Noooooooooooope. You seem not to get it. I don't care if people live in cities have to pay more for their **** then I do. I don't care if people in the middle of Conservative Nowheresville, Alabama have to pay more for a pack of smokes then I do. It was their choice to live where they do. I've grown to accept the fact that people must accept responsibility for where they choose to live and unless they strive to leave the places they keep complaining about then I have no reason to expect the government to help them anymore then it already does. I don't care if you live in the ghetto, rural community or space colony.


    So ignorant.... Where do I start.....


    Wait I know. Libs are about getting the money in government. Screw the poor. they chose to live in the 9nth ward.....


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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    He haw. Right now it is poor who are caring the burden of taxes. The right wing deserve their turn. We want to cut the national debt and we can't do that by borrowing over seas money.

    Do you work for the Chinese?

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    Re: Obama Announces Massive, Crushing Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    \ so nobody who did not deserve a loan got one? Gee recession avoided. Thanks Hautey.....
    Obama forced NO bank to make Ninja Loans. Not even once. The case had absolutely NOTHING to do with making lenders make any kind of loans they did not want to. It had to do with banks discriminating against people in certain neighborhoods regardless of whether or not they were able to pay the loans.

    I think employers should pay what they can pay. market and all... The fedgov and statgov are not fair markets. sorry....
    The way I've seen it work is that workers in unions can DEMAND raises through their unions. Their employers(in this case the government) weigh whether or not to give them such a raise at a negotiating table. Nobody, absolutely nobody gets a raise simply because they want one.

    throwing out idiotic race baiting nonsense.... CHECK.
    Well if you didn't really understand it then it might seem like nonsense. Think evangelicals discussing microbiology.

    Proof that it wont hurt the majority of people.


    Taxation in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As of 2007, there are about 138 million taxpayers in the United States.[8] The Treasury Department in 2006 reported, based on Internal Revenue Service (IRS) data, the share of federal income taxes paid by taxpayers of various income levels.
    300 million citizens - 138 million tax payers = AT LEAST162 million who won't see a tax increase of any kind because well they don't pay taxes.

    So ignorant.... Where do I start.....

    Wait I know. Libs are about getting the money in government. Screw the poor. they chose to live in the 9nth ward.....
    Ummm. Alright?
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