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On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

On average would straight couples make better parents then a gay couple?


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This is a slightly unfair question.
It is not about whether the parents enjoy penis or vagina. It is about whether or not they are responsible parents.

This is a great point and I think it's probably the most overlooked fact in the argument. The correct premise is not strait vs gay, it's prospective parents vs foster care. And in that, my personal feeling is the advantages of 'traditional' families loses ground to other concerns. Like the ability to provide food.

It seems like many people think orphaned or abandoned kids are some kind of scarce resource. They're not, if anybody wants to adopt they should be able to if they pass the background check.
 
I have to agree with Gibberish on this one. You have no actual proof that heterosexual couples are better at raising kids than homosexual couples. CC has given plenty of links that show that homosexual families are just as good as heterosexual families. Even I have given some links that show this.

Straight couples are also bad at raising children, just look at our societies.. But they have been raising them for tens of thousands of years, and at least we manage decent in this day and age, we are still alive.. How about gays? How long have they been raising children, and where is your deep proof that they are raising them well? And I am talking about centuries of proof, since one life is pretty much a century, and anything less than a several generations of gay people raising children is worthless..

Think of the bad effects that may be visible 1000 years from now if this stupid generation of people will allow gay people to raise children. (what did those morons back then think about when allowing gays to raise children).. We shouldn't make such decisions. Why should gays be allowed to raise children? They cant make children, so they cannot raise children. Unless its lesbians, because one of them could sleep with a man and have a child. Two men cant have a child and shouldn't raise children.

On average I am certain that its better for the child, in the short term and the long term(his/her life) to be raised by straight people. I am also sure its better for(him/her) to be raised by two parents mom/dad, than just one, or some partial custody stuff.
 
Straight couples are also bad at raising children, just look at our societies.. But they have been raising them for tens of thousands of years, and at least we manage decent in this day and age, we are still alive.. How about gays? How long have they been raising children, and where is your deep proof that they are raising them well? And I am talking about centuries of proof, since one life is pretty much a century, and anything less than a several generations of gay people raising children is worthless..

Think of the bad effects that may be visible 1000 years from now if this stupid generation of people will allow gay people to raise children. (what did those morons back then think about when allowing gays to raise children).. We shouldn't make such decisions. Why should gays be allowed to raise children? They cant make children, so they cannot raise children. Unless its lesbians, because one of them could sleep with a man and have a child. Two men cant have a child and shouldn't raise children.

On average I am certain that its better for the child, in the short term and the long term(his/her life) to be raised by straight people. I am also sure its better for(him/her) to be raised by two parents mom/dad, than just one, or some partial custody stuff.


CC has provided much of the proof.

However if you want commonly known historical data of homosexuals raising kids then thats simple. Don't even need to link to any of it as much of it is common knowledge. Romans were known to have gay intercourse...lots of kids were raised by them. Spartans were another.

However if you want to get into today's recent history. (last 60 years) All I have to do is ask you a logical question which has a logical answer to it. In the last 60 years before homosexuals started coming out of the closet how many of them had families that were literally shocked when the father or mother came out of the closet?

Homosexuals have been raising kids for longer than you think. And simple logic shows it.
 
Why should gays be allowed to raise children? They cant make children, so they cannot raise children. Unless its lesbians, because one of them could sleep with a man and have a child. Two men cant have a child and shouldn't raise children.

So we should also ban adoption by infertile couples and outlaw IVF?
 
No, I don't. I don't think it would be good or natural for the child to grow up with two dads or two moms since its not the children choice.

In bold. Opinion. Please present any evidence that supports your position.


I know its not the children's choice to grow up with a mom and dad, but thats just the way it has always been.

Appeal to tradition logical fallacy. You want a list of things that "had always been" that we longer see as acceptable, because they have been proven to not be?

Its not fair for society out of accommodating everyone that we should decide on behalf of unborn children that they can grow up with gay parents. So no. But I would rather see a child with "normal" gay parents, than drug addicted straight people for example, I think they would be better parents, but I don't support it.
But then again, its not realistic at all to ban all bad parents from having children, but we do not need to add two men, or two women to the parenting list and make it worse.

Again, you have shown nothing to support your opinion. Let's see some facts or evidence.
 
Straight couples are also bad at raising children, just look at our societies.. But they have been raising them for tens of thousands of years, and at least we manage decent in this day and age, we are still alive.. How about gays? How long have they been raising children, and where is your deep proof that they are raising them well? And I am talking about centuries of proof, since one life is pretty much a century, and anything less than a several generations of gay people raising children is worthless..

Think of the bad effects that may be visible 1000 years from now if this stupid generation of people will allow gay people to raise children. (what did those morons back then think about when allowing gays to raise children).. We shouldn't make such decisions. Why should gays be allowed to raise children? They cant make children, so they cannot raise children. Unless its lesbians, because one of them could sleep with a man and have a child. Two men cant have a child and shouldn't raise children.

On average I am certain that its better for the child, in the short term and the long term(his/her life) to be raised by straight people. I am also sure its better for(him/her) to be raised by two parents mom/dad, than just one, or some partial custody stuff.

Nothing but appeal to tradition and lack of substantiation. You are entitled to your opinion, of course...no matter how much it has been disproven.
 
In bold. Opinion. Please present any evidence that supports your position.




Appeal to tradition logical fallacy. You want a list of things that "had always been" that we longer see as acceptable, because they have been proven to not be?



Again, you have shown nothing to support your opinion. Let's see some facts or evidence.

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Its not always about evidence you know, sometimes good old common sense can get you very far.
 
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Its not always about evidence you know, sometimes good old common sense can get you very far.

And common sense AND history has shown that not only has homosexuality been around for thousands of years but that they also raised kids..both while hiding the fact that they were gay and while they were openly gay.
 
I certainly think strict demands should be made towards straight couples who want to adopt as well? Excluding for example drug addicts.

What about intolerant bigots? Should they be allowed to adopt?
 
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Its not always about evidence you know, sometimes good old common sense can get you very far.

Please show me one instance where "good old common sense" is either not support by evidence, or where it supersedes evidence. Oh, wait, that would be asking for evidence, something you have refused to do. Sorry. Please continue with your non-factual opinions.
 
Please show me one instance where "good old common sense" is either not support by evidence, or where it supersedes evidence. Oh, wait, that would be asking for evidence, something you have refused to do. Sorry. Please continue with your non-factual opinions.

Its not non-factual that its best for children to grow up with a mom/dad combination parents, rather than single parents or mom/mom, or dad/dad. Rather than wanting to read an article or see some stats after that statement, you should sit down in a good chair and just think, try to get that good old common sense working, and thinking about it for a few minutes or a few hours, until you understand what I am talking about.. And then come back.
 
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Its not non-factual that its best for children to grow up with a mom/dad combination parents, rather than single parents or mom/mom, or dad/dad. Rather than wanting to read an article or see some stats after that statement, you should sit down in a good chair and just think, try to get that good old common sense working, and thinking about it for a few minutes or a few hours, until you understand what I am talking about.. And then come back.

And yet, you'd still be wrong about this. Amazing how a lack of curiosity to test one's belief will do that. Common sense dictated that the earth was flat. We see what happened with that theory. Try doing a little reading, and then come back.
 
And yet, you'd still be wrong about this. Amazing how a lack of curiosity to test one's belief will do that. Common sense dictated that the earth was flat. We see what happened with that theory. Try doing a little reading, and then come back.

So you think on average...
-Its better for children to grow up with one parent than mom/dad combination
-Its better for children to grow up with two moms than mom/dad combination
-Its better for children to grow up with two men as dads, rather than mom/dad combination

Thats what you are saying..

Straight couples have raised children for tens of thousands of years... Think man, common sense.. I have seen no proof that gay parents make BETTER parents than straight ones, therefor there is no need to allow them.
 
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So you think on average...
-Its better for children to grow up with one parent than mom/dad combination
-Its better for children to grow up with two moms than mom/dad combination
-Its better for children to grow up with two men as dads, rather than mom/dad combination

Thats what you are saying..

No, that's NOT what I'm saying. You are straw manning. Please show anywhere that I made any claims as to any of the above. I never used the word "better".

Straight couples have raised children for tens of thousands of years... Think man, common sense.. I have seen no proof that gay parents make BETTER parents than straight ones, therefor there is no need to allow them.

Again. I NEVER USED THE WORD "BETTER". Please only attribute arguments to me that I make. Thank you.
 
No, that's NOT what I'm saying. You are straw manning. Please show anywhere that I made any claims as to any of the above. I never used the word "better".



Again. I NEVER USED THE WORD "BETTER". Please only attribute arguments to me that I make. Thank you.

Just re-read the last few pages yourself.

I never said any of the things you claim I said either.
 
Just re-read the last few pages yourself.

I never said any of the things you claim I said either.

Maximus, you have repeatedly said that two-parent, opposite sex couples are better at rearing children than two-parent single sex couples. Are you now going to deny this?
 
Maximus, you have repeatedly said that two-parent, opposite sex couples are better at rearing children than two-parent single sex couples. Are you now going to deny this?

I did say that. But if gay parents aren't better than straight ones, why should they then be allowed to adopt? No need then.. If they aren't better they can at best be equal, and all common sense says two men raising a child is not the same as one woman and one man..

Children needs both masculin and feminine impulses, neither which gays can provide, except a confusing mix of both. Thats NOT what a child needs, therefor I stick with the common sense option that gay parents 99% sure make worse parents on average that straights.

What are you? Doing an all nighter btw?
 
Maximus, you have repeatedly said that two-parent, opposite sex couples are better at rearing children than two-parent single sex couples. Are you now going to deny this?

Also, most children get far more impulses from their mother the first 10 years than their father, and then it kind of switches around(for boys). So in my opinion two women would also make better parents than two men.
 
So you think on average...
-Its better for children to grow up with one parent than mom/dad combination
-Its better for children to grow up with two moms than mom/dad combination
-Its better for children to grow up with two men as dads, rather than mom/dad combination

Thats what you are saying..

Straight couples have raised children for tens of thousands of years... Think man, common sense.. I have seen no proof that gay parents make BETTER parents than straight ones, therefor there is no need to allow them.

CC is right. No one is saying that a mom/mom or a dad/dad combo is better than a mom/dad combo. They're just saying that vis a vis they are they same.

And as I showed earlier homosexuals have been raising kids for thousands of years also.
 
I did say that. But if gay parents aren't better than straight ones, why should they then be allowed to adopt? No need then.. If they aren't better they can at best be equal, and all common sense says two men raising a child is not the same as one woman and one man..

Children needs both masculin and feminine impulses, neither which gays can provide, except a confusing mix of both. Thats NOT what a child needs, therefor I stick with the common sense option that gay parents 99% sure make worse parents on average that straights.

What are you? Doing an all nighter btw?

Do you believe that a woman can do everything a man can? Example: fish, hunt, fight. All those "man" things that men always tout around about?
 
I did say that. But if gay parents aren't better than straight ones, why should they then be allowed to adopt? No need then.. If they aren't better they can at best be equal, and all common sense says two men raising a child is not the same as one woman and one man..

Of course it's not the same. Course no two couples raise their children the same..no matter their gender, sexuality. But just because they are not the same does not mean that they cannot do the job.

For example a 3ft person can never sit in a normal size persons chair like a normal sized person. Because they are not the same. But they can still sit in the chair.

Now for the part in bold. Why shouldn't they be allowed to adopt if they are the same? Seems to me that you are still argueing for the "traditional" mom/dad thing here and letting it get in the way.

But hey I'll still answer the question. Everyone knows that there are still kids in the system. Not everyone that wants to adopt is eligible. Which means that the amount of people that can adopt cannot keep up with the amount of kids in the system. Allowing homosexuals to adopt would reduce the number of kids in the system by increaseing the number of people that are eligible to adopt. And it's pretty common knowledge that a kid in the system has more of a chance of 'going bad' than a kid raised in a family setting. It's really a win win situation. Less kids in the system, homosexuals giving equal rights to adopt children which makes them happy, kids raised in a family setting have a better chance of becoming productive members of society, and though this may seem a bit callous it means that there is less taxpayer money spent on kids because they are not in the system anymore. Sorry but there was no other way to say that last part. Truth is truth.
 
CC is right. No one is saying that a mom/mom or a dad/dad combo is better than a mom/dad combo. They're just saying that vis a vis they are they same.

And as I showed earlier homosexuals have been raising kids for thousands of years also.

Hello!!! Its OBVIOUSLY NOT the same.. Geez. How about masculine AND feminine impulses?

You didn't show that.. You talked about gay people in a straight relationship.. Anyways, there is no long term research about those people who grew up with two dads. For all you know those spawns could be the ones who ended up serial killers and rapists and so on.
 
Of course it's not the same. Course no two couples raise their children the same..no matter their gender, sexuality. But just because they are not the same does not mean that they cannot do the job.
For example a 3ft person can never sit in a normal size persons chair like a normal sized person. Because they are not the same. But they can still sit in the chair.
Now for the part in bold. Why shouldn't they be allowed to adopt if they are the same? Seems to me that you are still argueing for the "traditional" mom/dad thing here and letting it get in the way.

They aren't the same. One man and one woman is not the same as two men or two women.
And why in the heck should they be able to adopt if they aren't BETTER parents? Why should we decide out of pity that two men should be allowed to adopt and raise a child, thats just INSANE. The need isn't there.

But hey I'll still answer the question. Everyone knows that there are still kids in the system. Not everyone that wants to adopt is eligible. Which means that the amount of people that can adopt cannot keep up with the amount of kids in the system. Allowing homosexuals to adopt would reduce the number of kids in the system by increaseing the number of people that are eligible to adopt. And it's pretty common knowledge that a kid in the system has more of a chance of 'going bad' than a kid raised in a family setting. It's really a win win situation. Less kids in the system, homosexuals giving equal rights to adopt children which makes them happy, kids raised in a family setting have a better chance of becoming productive members of society, and though this may seem a bit callous it means that there is less taxpayer money spent on kids because they are not in the system anymore. Sorry but there was no other way to say that last part. Truth is truth.

Perhaps thats just a sing that the whole adoption system is bad. Perhaps they should be more liberal with who they let adopt, I know plenty of cases where perfectly normal straight couples were not allowed to adopt because of some technicalities. Thats NO reason to allow two men or two women to adopt.
 
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