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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    There's no science so open to interpretation as the social sciences. My opinion on gay issues is that we let society determine where we want to go... and I don't have any problem with the direction we've been headed. Studies on either side of the issue (or those purporting to be impartial) be damned.


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    idea Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

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    It would depend on the individual couple an the temper of those who make up a couple. Has very little to do with gay or straight. Some Gays would be better parents, and some heteros would be better. There are no negative statistics against gays.

    From what I have read, statiscally gays are less abusive to their children than straights.

    Parental sexual abuse seems to be more prevelant in Straights rather than Gays. Yet I forget where I got this information.

    From what I have read, children of gays are not any more prone to become gay than children of straights.

    I am a straight hetero sexual male and have never had any sexual interest gay men. I do like my women, but I am not interested in living a world of misinformation and lies.

    One of the strange things that I have learned in the last few years is that just because christian or christian minister says something does not make the statement true and accurate.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    There's no science so open to interpretation as the social sciences. My opinion on gay issues is that we let society determine where we want to go... and I don't have any problem with the direction we've been headed. Studies on either side of the issue (or those purporting to be impartial) be damned.

    Think of the children!!!

    Its natural for children to grow up in a man/woman parenting relationship. And lately it has become more and more normal to grow up in a man or woman /semi relationship with parents. That has had some damaging effects...

    Taking away the childrens right to grow up with man/women parents and putting them in the hands of something as unnatural as man/man or woman/woman parenting relationships WILL damage things much more than one parent /semi parentING relations have done.

    Imagine the bitter child who had no choice and grew up with two gay men as parents, just because some liberals wanted to allow gay adoption. Shame.. Shame.. SHAME...


    Think of the children...
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I didn't say its how ALL gays act, I am just trying to group the gays. The ones I am talking about would be the worst parents and very damaging to a child in my opinion, while "normal behaving" gay people would be better than some combinations of man/woman parents. But then again, if you read my whole post about this last time, I wouldt have to explain all this AGAIN.
    Guess what? Any parents, gay or straight that would behave in some sort of extreme and damaging way would be inappropriate parents. Though your position is accurate, it is not all encompassing. Any parent that acts out would be damaging to their kids, gay or straight.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Nope, to me it seems controversial and debatable with the current research often unsound,. I was not looking to debate the independent studies though I was just contrasting some other people's views of the studies with yours. No offense but I don't see why I should accept yours as gospel and reject these others out of hand.
    The studies that I posted have been peer reviewed and are reproducible. This is consistent with validity testing in research. I have seen little information that makes these studies debatable other than the fact that there needs to be more of them, especially those with gay fathers.

    Plus the bold part is absurd and definitely part of the partisanship you seem to hate. If I were to completely reject your opinion and others because they leant to the liberal side then there'd be few sources left that we could debate.
    Show me a pro-Christian website that supports gay marriage...and not a gay pro-Christian website...and then we can talk. It is not partisanship if it is true.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    CC gave his opinion of the studies, as I showed this is challenged by others who are just as qualified as a message board moderator, no offense to CC, so let's not start treating his opinion as gospel shall we.
    Actually, if you accept my opinion as gospel, there would be a whole lot fewer problems around here.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The studies that I posted have been peer reviewed and are reproducible. This is consistent with validity testing in research. I have seen little information that makes these studies debatable other than the fact that there needs to be more of them, especially those with gay fathers.
    My point is that you reviewed the data, quoted some of it and came to your conclusions. These others did exactly the same. Without really getting to grips with it all in detail myself I don't see why I should reject theirs and accept your analysis of the data and studies, no offense.


    Show me a pro-Christian website that supports gay marriage...and not a gay pro-Christian website...and then we can talk. It is not partisanship if it is true.
    I'm not sure what your point is. Why do they have to support it? The vast majority of libs support gay marriage. Can I just ignore everything they say? I personally do not consider being a Christian site to necessarily negate their opinion, I have a lot of respect for Christians. In general I prefer Conservatives Christians to liberals myself.

    This is what I talked about before. No doubt you'd reject the heritage foundation or similar as well and it gets silly because soon we'll all have our own sources who the other side will simply dismiss and it will get nowhere. That really is dangerously partisan.

    As a former anarchist I know how annoying it is when people reject your sources out of hand because "they're anarchists". .
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    As is yours if you think a child will develop well with any "outrageous gay" people... Trying makeup on the child, waving their hands, talking like a woman, acting like morons. Anyways, if you read the rest...
    We put makeup on my nephew. He likes to be done up just like his older sisters. I don't see what the issue is. Are we going to "make him gay" by doing so?


    Oh, he wears pink shirts too.

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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    We put makeup on my nephew. He likes to be done up just like his older sisters. I don't see what the issue is. Are we going to "make him gay" by doing so?


    Oh, he wears pink shirts too.
    Pink shirts ARE NOT gay....though the lipstick thing....
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    My point is that you reviewed the data, quoted some of it and came to your conclusions. These others did exactly the same. Without really getting to grips with it all in detail myself I don't see why I should reject theirs and accept your analysis of the data and studies, no offense.
    Methodology. I reviewed the methodology used. It's sound. The biggest complaint from those who reject the conclusions is that there is not enough data.


    I'm not sure what your point is. Why do they have to support it? The vast majority of libs support gay marriage. Can I just ignore everything they say? I personally do not consider being a Christian site to necessarily negate their opinion, I have a lot of respect for Christians. In general I prefer Conservatives Christians to liberals myself.

    This is what I talked about before. No doubt you'd reject the heritage foundation or similar as well and it gets silly because soon we'll all have our own sources who the other side will simply dismiss and it will get nowhere. That really is dangerously partisan.

    As a former anarchist I know how annoying it is when people reject your sources out of hand because "they're anarchists". .
    I have a lot of respect for Christians, also. I defend them, often, in the Religious forum. Perhaps I should have been more clear. Mon-moderate Christians do not support gay marriage and this is mostly for religious reasons. Every site that has been posted with "data", the data has been spun or misrepresented to fit in with the site's agenda. Further the methodology of the data is flawed, or if they reviewed some positive data, that review was flawed. One must be cognizant of the sites presented for evidence. Presenting a study done by evangelicals on the dangers of abortion is far less valid than presenting a similar study by the AMA. Hence, a study on gay marriage presented by the APA has far more weight than one presented by a pro-Christian organization. One must look at agenda, validity, credentialing, etc... Questioning a source is valid in debate.
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