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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Prove that this is how all gays act. Your bigotry and prejudice is showing, Maximus.
    You can't win this kind of argument. Because no doubt Maximus will be able to link to all sorts of YouTube videos or 'scientific' reports in which gay couples have placed their children in some outrageous situations.

    But I could just as easily link to videos of 'Toddlers With Tiarras' or outlandish reports of other outrageous heterosexual child-rearing and make the case that heterosexual couples are unhealthy.

    I've practically given up reviewing links to any study of sexuality at all... because as with other politically heated issues, I firmly believe that any scientific field dealing with 'statistical analysis' is hopelessly flawed from the outset. Or even if one weren't, it would be nearly impossible for any of us to pick out from among the garbage produced by both fringes.


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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    You can't win this kind of argument. Because no doubt Maximus will be able to link to all sorts of YouTube videos or 'scientific' reports in which gay couples have placed their children in some outrageous situations.

    But I could just as easily link to videos of 'Toddlers With Tiarras' or outlandish reports of other outrageous heterosexual child-rearing and make the case that heterosexual couples are unhealthy.

    I've practically given up reviewing links to any study of sexuality at all... because as with other politically heated issues, I firmly believe that any scientific field dealing with 'statistical analysis' is hopelessly flawed from the outset. Or even if one weren't, it would be nearly impossible for any of us to pick out from among the garbage produced by both fringes.

    Actually I can win this argument. My comment was "Prove that this is how all gays act." Notice the word in bold. If he cannot concede this point, he is exposed as a bigot, since all I have to do is find one gay that doesn't act in the way that he claims. If he concedes the point, then my data becomes valid. In other words, he loses either way.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    I voted yes. Not because a straight couple would make better parents, I don't think it would matter.

    What does matter to me is that the traditional family is time tested and works. So I think in the long run it could be better.


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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And if you read CC's links you would know that your statement I just bolded is false.

    What you have demonstrated here is that you don't really know anything about homosexuals other than what you see in a movie. I've known several gay couples and none of them ever tried talking like women or put makeup on their kids (the one couple that I knew that had a kid) or waved their hands around like they do in the movies. And everyone can be morons. It's not limited to homosexuals.

    However have you ever seen studies done about children, parents and beauty pageants? You have any idea what those children go through? Most of the time because their mothers want them in the pageants?
    Thats why I am SEPARATING the "gay pride/outrageous gays", with relative normal gays. You think of them as one group, thats just unhealthy.

    I did this in the first post as well, separated between those gays and other gays. But even so, mother/dad parents is the best solution for a child, and normal gays far better than "gay pride" gays. Also lesbians favorably against faggots.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Prove that this is how all gays act. Your bigotry and prejudice is showing, Maximus.
    I didn't say its how ALL gays act, I am just trying to group the gays. The ones I am talking about would be the worst parents and very damaging to a child in my opinion, while "normal behaving" gay people would be better than some combinations of man/woman parents. But then again, if you read my whole post about this last time, I wouldt have to explain all this AGAIN.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    I saw the Birdcage. Nathan Lane made a great mommy.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I didn't say its how ALL gays act, I am just trying to group the gays. The ones I am talking about would be the worst parents and very damaging to a child in my opinion, while "normal behaving" gay people would be better than some combinations of man/woman parents. But then again, if you read my whole post about this last time, I wouldt have to explain all this AGAIN.
    So what. Some drunk heterosexual family with no inclination towards intellectual growth would be damaging to a child too. But we don't forbid all heterosexuals from being parents just because some of them are bad.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually I can win this argument. My comment was "Prove that this is how all gays act." Notice the word in bold. If he cannot concede this point, he is exposed as a bigot, since all I have to do is find one gay that doesn't act in the way that he claims. If he concedes the point, then my data becomes valid. In other words, he loses either way.
    Oh it's obvious that the phrase as written is clearly wrong. My point was that even attempts among rational people to analyze things such as 'relative healthiness' of gay relationships or straight relationships become hopelessly bogged down in unreliable or confusing statistics and studies.


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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Much of this article centers around Stacey and Bilbartz. I have debunked that information in another thread as taken out of context. Stacey herself has stated that she is often taken out of context in this matter.


    And again, this article uses the Stacey and Bilbartz study...already debunked. Further, even though the article makes the above comment, every piece of evidence it quotes, contradicts that comment.



    I reject this on two levels. Firstly, any Christian website is going to go with their anti-gay agenda. Secondly, And I will have to re-review the Golomok/Tasker study (haven't looked at it in a while), the article takes out of context and spins some of the wording to make gay parenting look less favorable. This is one of the studies I used in my overview, and the research was sound.



    I will agree that more research needs to be done. However, current research is positive, and the methology is sound.
    Nope, to me it seems controversial and debatable with the current research often unsound,. I was not looking to debate the independent studies though I was just contrasting some other people's views of the studies with yours. No offense but I don't see why I should accept yours as gospel and reject these others out of hand.

    Plus the bold part is absurd and definitely part of the partisanship you seem to hate. If I were to completely reject your opinion and others because they leant to the liberal side then there'd be few sources left that we could debate.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And if you read CC's links you would know that your statement I just bolded is false.
    CC gave his opinion of the studies, as I showed this is challenged by others who are just as qualified as a message board moderator, no offense to CC, so let's not start treating his opinion as gospel shall we.
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