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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I already said what y'all can do with those statistics.
    And you'd be wrong about that. The statistics give good information about functioning and status. Which gives us good information about how these children did based on their parenting.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I already said what y'all can do with those statistics.
    Does that mean that we can do the same for any of your other statements?

    Point being is that just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less true. Unless of course you can show proof that those statistics are in error then you really have no ground to stand on.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Below are links to two posts I have made that contain a ton of information on this topic:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057847882-post57.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057847883-post58.html

    If we look at outcomes and ability to function, and we look at these from the aspects of socialization, academics, emotional functioning, and sexuality, children reared from straight parents and children reared from gay parents are, statistically, the same. The aspects examine are, also, excellent predictors of future outcomes.

    So, on average, if one considers both sets of parents to be stable and loving, there would be no discernible difference.
    Interesting studies. I'm not sure it is so clear cut though.

    The research on gay parenting. - By Ann Hulbert - Slate Magazine

    But wait: All the evidence—as both sides acknowledge—is seriously flawed and doesn't begin to supply anything like solid support for either the hopes of gay family harmony or the fears about scarred children and skewed
    parenting.


    USATODAY.com - Looking straight at gay parents

    There is precious little research on the children of gay families compared with that done on the children from heterosexual unions. The studies are often small, conflicting and controversial.


    Briefing on homosexual parenting

    In the same way that many of the "accepted facts" from Freud and Kinsey have been found to be seriously flawed, so the current accepted wisdom about gay parenting appears to be flawed. It claims reassuring conclusions that are hard to justify from current research. In many cases it is true that studies do not show significant differences, but numbers are small and lesbian mothers are often from a more advantaged socio-economic group than the single heterosexual mothers used as controls.

    It seems up in the air to me. Some of those like yourself reviewing the research come up with certain conclusions and others like those above come up with different ones.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes : Why?

    No : Why?
    YES.

    Its best for a child to have input from both a mother/female and a father/male, that will best prepare him for life.

    Aside from that it would be awful and input in a child's life to have any of his parents be one of those "gay pride"/"outrageous gay behaving" peoples input. No one could benefit from that. Imagine the damage it could do over time. That would pretty much be worse than any mom/dad parents, even drug addicts.

    I would rank two "not gay pride/outrageous" gay parents as better than having drug addicted mom/dad parents. I would also rank two females as better parents than two men, naturally.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Interesting studies. I'm not sure it is so clear cut though.

    The research on gay parenting. - By Ann Hulbert - Slate Magazine

    But wait: All the evidence—as both sides acknowledge—is seriously flawed and doesn't begin to supply anything like solid support for either the hopes of gay family harmony or the fears about scarred children and skewed
    parenting.
    Much of this article centers around Stacey and Bilbartz. I have debunked that information in another thread as taken out of context. Stacey herself has stated that she is often taken out of context in this matter.
    USATODAY.com - Looking straight at gay parents

    There is precious little research on the children of gay families compared with that done on the children from heterosexual unions. The studies are often small, conflicting and controversial.
    And again, this article uses the Stacey and Bilbartz study...already debunked. Further, even though the article makes the above comment, every piece of evidence it quotes, contradicts that comment.

    Briefing on homosexual parenting

    In the same way that many of the "accepted facts" from Freud and Kinsey have been found to be seriously flawed, so the current accepted wisdom about gay parenting appears to be flawed. It claims reassuring conclusions that are hard to justify from current research. In many cases it is true that studies do not show significant differences, but numbers are small and lesbian mothers are often from a more advantaged socio-economic group than the single heterosexual mothers used as controls.
    I reject this on two levels. Firstly, any Christian website is going to go with their anti-gay agenda. Secondly, And I will have to re-review the Golomok/Tasker study (haven't looked at it in a while), the article takes out of context and spins some of the wording to make gay parenting look less favorable. This is one of the studies I used in my overview, and the research was sound.

    It seems up in the air to me. Some of those like yourself reviewing the research come up with certain conclusions and others like those above come up with different ones.
    I will agree that more research needs to be done. However, current research is positive, and the methology is sound.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    YES.

    Its best for a child to have input from both a mother/female and a father/male, that will best prepare him for life.

    Aside from that it would be awful and input in a child's life to have any of his parents be one of those "gay pride"/"outrageous gay behaving" peoples input.
    I stopped reading after this comment. You have a biased and prejudiced view of gay parents. Therefore your opinion is irrelevant.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I stopped reading after this comment. You have a biased and prejudiced view of gay parents. Therefore your opinion is irrelevant.
    As is yours if you think a child will develop well with any "outrageous gay" people... Trying makeup on the child, waving their hands, talking like a woman, acting like morons. Anyways, if you read the rest...
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    As is yours if you think a child will develop well with any "outrageous gay" people... Trying makeup on the child, waving their hands, talking like a woman, acting like morons. Anyways, if you read the rest...
    And if you read CC's links you would know that your statement I just bolded is false.

    What you have demonstrated here is that you don't really know anything about homosexuals other than what you see in a movie. I've known several gay couples and none of them ever tried talking like women or put makeup on their kids (the one couple that I knew that had a kid) or waved their hands around like they do in the movies. And everyone can be morons. It's not limited to homosexuals.

    However have you ever seen studies done about children, parents and beauty pageants? You have any idea what those children go through? Most of the time because their mothers want them in the pageants?
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    As is yours if you think a child will develop well with any "outrageous gay" people... Trying makeup on the child, waving their hands, talking like a woman, acting like morons. Anyways, if you read the rest...
    Prove that this is how all gays act. Your bigotry and prejudice is showing, Maximus.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Not really sure off hand if there would be a huge difference between the two. I can't think of anything innate that would make one so much worse than the other. Though I think the one thing we can say for sure is that a same-sex household would be a hell of a lot better than an State run orphanage.
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