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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its not a matter of evidence, this is a matter of common sense.

    I have seen no proof the the contrary btw.. I have told you a number of factors which should get you thinking about this..

    Mom/dad is obviously the most healthy parenting relationship(on average), its natural, you get both influence from a mother figure and a father figure, both non-confusing feminine and non-confusing masculine input. Its better than single parent houses, its better than gay parents, its right out the best solution, the natural solution..

    Or would you also contest that single parent situations on average is worse for children than mom/dad parenting situation?
    Again you are making assumptions. And again you are dodging the question.

    Will a child be worse off in life if they do not have a mother? You make the claim of obvious as if it is some sort of self-evident truth, but the reality is that you are not willing to test your belief or hypothesis against any empirical data. Therefore it keeps coming back to your previous remarks that claim that a child will be worse off with two gay fathers, than a child that has a mother.

    All I am asking for you to do is provide some evidence, otherwise I might as well say (hypothetically speaking) that it makes sense the children be only be born into wealthy families as they have the most resources.

    Lastly Maximus I am asking you to take back your comments where you claim that I said that it 'makes sense for children to have no mother'.

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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Dont you think adopted children deserves to have a mother?
    Most kids without parents would be happy to have any parents. Be it two dads, two moms, whatever.

    Adopted children deserve to have loving parents. It is not your place to deny them that because of the loving parents' genders and your personal views regarding that.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Well, you prove to me that gay couples, two men for example have raised children, and that they have done it better than straights.. If they havent its highly unlikely they are even equal good parents, because a man & a man is not the same as a woman & a man, and therefor unlikely equal at raising a child either..
    How many times must we tell you that homosexuals do not make better parents? They make just as good a parents as heterosexuals. Period. Get this whole "better" crap outta here.

    And as has been shown to you, just because homosexual parents are not the same as heterosexual parents gender wise does not mean that they cannot raise kids just as well as heterosexual parents. Remember the apple and orange analogy?

    You see that is your whole problem here Max. The gender of a person does not matter on how well a person can parent. There are heterosexual parents that are worse parents than homosexual parents. And there are heterosexual parents that are better than homosexual parents. IE they even out. Which is why people use words like "on average" or "vis a vis". And why people use statistics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    How about a childs right to grow up with a mother? Only the most unfortunate children do not, if their mother die or something. Its the most natural human relationship.. You want to take that away?
    A child has a right to a biological mother. And a biological father. But there is no such right as to just having a mother and/or a father. And when the biological parents give up their rights or have their rights stripped from them then that child has a right to a loving and secure home. Which is what the courts go by. Loving and secure. Why? Because as I said above a persons gender does not matter in how well they will raise a child. If gender did matter then the courts would only allow the child to be raised in the womans or mans (which ever gender had proved that they were better at raising kids) home after a divorce.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Did I not explain that pretty well with the whole God example?
    No, you didn't.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Well, you prove to me that gay couples, two men for example have raised children, and that they have done it better than straights.. If they havent its highly unlikely they are even equal good parents, because a man & a man is not the same as a woman & a man, and therefor unlikely equal at raising a child either..
    I've already destroyed the logic of this argument. Point negated.

    How about a childs right to grow up with a mother? Only the most unfortunate children do not, if their mother die or something. Its the most natural human relationship.. You want to take that away?
    Show me some law that says a child has the right to grow up with a mother.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Dont you think adopted children deserves to have a mother?
    I think I deserve $1,000,000. What's your point?
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thats why people like you care more about statistics than common sense.. CC says he do not even know what common sense is..
    I know what common sense is. I don't think you know what common sense is which is why I keep asking you to define it.

    "Statistics and proof" all the time over common sense.. Thats just ridiculous. How about a childs right to have a mother? How about that? Please prove that that is bad, for a child to have a mother, and its better to have 2 dads, prove that with statistics and a bunch of silly internet article..

    You people drive me crazy.
    Please show anywhere that I, or anyone else, said that it is bad for a child to have a mother or it's better to have 2 dads. Your major flaw, here, is that you keep accusing folks of arguments they are not making. Seems like the only way you can win this thing is by arguing points no one is stating.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Of course two men would make worse parents, the child would grow up without a mother. I have seen no proof that gays make BETTER parents, and since gays and straights are not the same, the likelyhood that they are equal parents are very low..
    This position has already been proven both incorrect and illogical. Point negated.
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    Re: On average would straight couples make better parents then gay couples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its not a matter of evidence, this is a matter of common sense.

    I have seen no proof the the contrary btw.. I have told you a number of factors which should get you thinking about this..

    Mom/dad is obviously the most healthy parenting relationship(on average), its natural, you get both influence from a mother figure and a father figure, both non-confusing feminine and non-confusing masculine input. Its better than single parent houses, its better than gay parents, its right out the best solution, the natural solution..

    Or would you also contest that single parent situations on average is worse for children than mom/dad parenting situation?
    Notice. As your argument falls apart more and more, you keep changing the goal posts. Now you are moving to single parent households.

    Maximus, since all you have offered is no evidence, logical fallacies, refusals to denote definitions, inaccurate accusations, and illogical analogies, it would be best if you just repeated after me:

    "I, Maximus, do not believe that gays should adopt on purely moral/values based grounds." Although illogical, this would be acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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