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    What percentage of people that claim to be Libertarians are actual Libertarians?

    Ok, a lot of people claim they are Libertarian, but when you talk to them it seems like most of them are really just typical Republicans that call themselves libertarian because they think it sounds cool or something. You know like they are libertarian because they like low taxes and want few restrictions on gun ownership, but they are also pro big military, don't believe in a constitutional right to privacy, support various attempts at legislating morality and so on.

    So what percentage of people that claim to be libertarian do you think are actually libertarian?
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    Re: What percentage of people that claim to be Libertarians are actual Libertarians?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Ok, a lot of people claim they are Libertarian, but when you talk to them it seems like most of them are really just typical Republicans that call themselves libertarian because they think it sounds cool or something. You know like they are libertarian because they like low taxes and want few restrictions on gun ownership, but they are also pro big military, don't believe in a constitutional right to privacy, support various attempts at legislating morality and so on.

    So what percentage of people that claim to be libertarian do you think are actually libertarian?
    I think you pose a valid question. I have talked to many so-called libertarians that have supported multifarious issues that would require more government. Personally, I believe in freedom at all costs. I believe the government should exist solely to protect the liberties of citizens without interfering or infringing upon other rights of citizens in the process. Most of my ideas align with libertarian philosophy and I even selected libertarian as my political affiliation on here, but I don't particularly like to affiliate myself with a party. I support ideas, not groups or people. Some groups and people just happen to support my ideas more than others and for the time being that group is the libertarian party.

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    Re: What percentage of people that claim to be Libertarians are actual Libertarians?

    While I think that there are some dissatisfied Republicans whom will self-identify with the Libertarian party, I'm not sure they are a large make up of those who claim libertarianism. There are a lot of aspects of libertarianism which do not line up well with the Republican party, including a very non-interventionist attitude towards foreign relations. The libertarian political philosophy calls for the maximum reduction in government. One thing to keep in mind, especially for those who have a tendency to disparage against the libertarian political philosophy, is that libertarianism is not a "no government" system. It's very much a minimal government system, there is an effort to reduce the size and scope of government but an understanding that some amount of government is necessary. The main purpose of which is to ensure and proliferate the rights and liberties of the individual. There is not only extreme emphasis to the right to keep and bear arms, but extreme emphasis on the full of our rights; which of course includes property and privacy (rights which are well too often trampled by both the main parties).

    Libertarians are also very ideological and vocal about their ideals on how government should behave and when it should act. I'm not sure if people who have particular misalignment to major portions of libertarian philosophy can identify as libertarian for long.
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    Re: What percentage of people that claim to be Libertarians are actual Libertarians?

    Personally, I know a lot of people that claim to be libertarians. Most of them have defended the war in Iraq to me. Defended the suspension of Habeas Corpus for Gitmo Detainees. Defended wiretaps. Defended huge defense spending bills. Were anti-gay marriage (not because they thought that marriage should not even be dealt with in government at all, but rather they used the old slipperly slope argument), and basically held countless views that were "statist".

    I have a lot of respect for libertarian ideas. Some I agree with. However I don't know a lot of actual real libertarians.
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    Re: What percentage of people that claim to be Libertarians are actual Libertarians?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Personally, I know a lot of people that claim to be libertarians. Most of them have defended the war in Iraq to me. Defended the suspension of Habeas Corpus for Gitmo Detainees. Defended wiretaps. Defended huge defense spending bills. Were anti-gay marriage (not because they thought that marriage should not even be dealt with in government at all, but rather they used the old slipperly slope argument), and basically held countless views that were "statist".

    I have a lot of respect for libertarian ideas. Some I agree with. However I don't know a lot of actual real libertarians.
    Personally (I won't speak for every libertarian), I oppose the war in Iraq, I oppose the PATRIOT ACT, I support Civil Unions for homosexuals and heterosexuals (being an atheist, I oppose marriage in general), I oppose gun regulations, I highly oppose big spending, I support separation of church and state, I support the legalization of drugs (though I have never used drugs and I never will), I support legalization of prostitution, et al.

    I reiterate, however that I am not loyal to any party. I think my ideas align with the libertarian party, but my loyalty is to the ideas, not the party.

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    Re: What percentage of people that claim to be Libertarians are actual Libertarians?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    don't believe in a constitutional right to privacy
    There's a Constitutional Right to Privacy? Was that written in invisible ink or something?

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    Re: What percentage of people that claim to be Libertarians are actual Libertarians?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Were anti-gay marriage (not because they thought that marriage should not even be dealt with in government at all, but rather they used the old slipperly slope argument)
    There's absolutely nothing wrong with arguing the slippery slope concern when in fact the slippery slope is being used to advance the Gay Agenda.

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    Re: What percentage of people that claim to be Libertarians are actual Libertarians?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    There's a Constitutional Right to Privacy? Was that written in invisible ink or something?
    Ok, I hope you don't mind me using you as an example, but you seem to be a perfect example of what I was just illustrating by the poll.

    Its a libertarian party platform that the right to privacy is absolute. They are against even social security numbers because of it.

    But really, if you have not made an authoritarian statement then I don't know what is one. The constitution does not grant rights to the people. The constitutional restricts the powers of government. You have a constitutional right to privacy because no where in the constitution is the government given the authority to restrict your right to privacy. In fact, there was a lot of debate among the founders because there was a concern that if they included a bill of rights that someone would come along some day and actually think they were the only rights individuals had.
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    Re: What percentage of people that claim to be Libertarians are actual Libertarians?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    There's absolutely nothing wrong with arguing the slippery slope concern when in fact the slippery slope is being used to advance the Gay Agenda.
    Once again an authoritarian statement. The most fundamental principle of liberty is that your right to live your life the way you choose to do so goes so far as to not impede another individuals ability to do the same. The notion that its ok to restrict the freedoms of one group because by granting that group those freedoms it could be argued that a less desirable group might then be able to obtain them as well is an authoritarian argument.
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    Re: What percentage of people that claim to be Libertarians are actual Libertarians?

    On the contrary, I think that the right to privacy is inherent in the 4th and 10th amendments. But as you stated, the Constitution puts into place restrictions against the government. It grants the government power and tells the government what it can do and if it doesn't say the government can do something, then the government can not do it. It's not restrictions against the People, who are owners of the government, but rather restrictions against the State which wields the power and soveriegnty of the People. Any body which wields the power and soveriegnty of the People must inherently be restricted in the methods by which it can wield that granted power and duty.

    Also the marriage license is a State issued and recognized contract, and the People have the right to contract.
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