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    Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    It seems like every time a Democratic scandal or lie is being discussed Obama supporters will invariably rationalize or dismiss it by citing what they perceive to be an analogous instance of Republican dishonesty or malfeasance.

    So, my question is this: why does it matter what the Republicans did? Does their dishonesty or malfeasance justify the dishonesty or malfeasance of Obama, his administration, or the Democratic Party? If a wrong has been committed shouldn't it be rectified regardless of what has happened in the past?

    To be honest, you people are starting to scare me. Why are you so reticent to scrutinize or criticize Obama and, to a lesser extent, the Democrats? I understand there will be non-issues which are blown out of proportion by partisans but there have been legitimate concerns and grievances regarding his conduct on the campaign trail and in the White House and I've yet to see any significant scrutiny coming from the left.

    Partisans are ruining this country and I'm getting awfully sick and tired of their nonsense - Republicans included - but, for now, the left is on the hot-seat because their man is in office and I believe it's time you faced up to the un-face-up-to-able (Simpsons reference, sorry); that perhaps you ARE a partisan and that perhaps you HAVE been hypocritical despite your insistence to the contrary. Take a long, hard look at yourselves...

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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    As I've stated in other posts, the sins of the past do not forgive the sins of the present.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    The silence is defeaning...

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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As I've stated in other posts, the sins of the past do not forgive the sins of the present.
    What he said.
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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    It is never ok to justify one wrong with another. I am also fed up with it from all sides. Obama's stimulus mess, hey Bush lied about the war and all that good stuff. The sad part is I don't think anyone will own up to doing it. Someone prove me wrong-- please.
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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    It is never ok to justify one wrong with another. I am also fed up with it from all sides. Obama's stimulus mess, hey Bush lied about the war and all that good stuff. The sad part is I don't think anyone will own up to doing it. Someone prove me wrong-- please.
    No one is going to prove you wrong. The people bitching about Bush are going to excuse the actions of Obama. The people excusing the actions of Bush will bitch about Obama. That's just the way it's gonna be. Obama lied in campaign promises, continuing the war in the Middle East, expanding government, his cabinet seems to all have tax problems, etc. But it's all "Well Bush did this" or "Bush did that". And before that we had "Clinton did it", it always goes back. At some point you'd think we'd have to stop this crap because each President is doing bad things and we keep say "Oh well so and so did blah" to excuse it.

    It's not healthy, it's not going to help us out of preserve this Republic. But I guess if all you want is terrible, partisan politics; continue onward.
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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It seems like every time a Democratic scandal or lie is being discussed Obama supporters will invariably rationalize or dismiss it by citing what they perceive to be an analogous instance of Republican dishonesty or malfeasance.

    So, my question is this: why does it matter what the Republicans did? Does their dishonesty or malfeasance justify the dishonesty or malfeasance of Obama, his administration, or the Democratic Party? If a wrong has been committed shouldn't it be rectified regardless of what has happened in the past?

    To be honest, you people are starting to scare me. Why are you so reticent to scrutinize or criticize Obama and, to a lesser extent, the Democrats?
    I understand there will be non-issues which are blown out of proportion by partisans but there have been legitimate concerns and grievances regarding his conduct on the campaign trail and in the White House and I've yet to see any significant scrutiny coming from the left.

    Partisans are ruining this country and I'm getting awfully sick and tired of their nonsense - Republicans included - but, for now, the left is on the hot-seat because their man is in office and I believe it's time you faced up to the un-face-up-to-able (Simpsons reference, sorry); that perhaps you ARE a partisan and that perhaps you HAVE been hypocritical despite your insistence to the contrary. Take a long, hard look at yourselves...
    My problem is not with Republicans, or Independents, or Tucker-Case going against Rev. Hellhound's Messiah (obama). My problem lies when individuals use scare words to panic the ignorant masses. There has been an influx in the notion that Obama is responsible for a growing Presidential power, and that whenever we are to turn out our lights he will take control of the entirety of American life.
    My problem is with people who grab their "lassiez-faire" economic standards and scream bloody murder when there is a stimulus package issued in by the current government to follow the Keynesian idea of "help for the short term". My problem is when people do not understand that a completely hands-off government is not an ideal that can withstand the modern day economy; Adam Smith could not even imagine the way the world is right now, as the differences on all fronts are staggering.
    My problem is with people viewing the $787 Billion dollars as the entirety of America's money. That if this ripple does not cause a nourishing, and reviving wave, then we are all fooked. This package is just a ripple.. that is all it is. Look at the $2.5 Trillion suggested by the Secretary of Treasury.
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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    My problem is not with Republicans, or Independents, or Tucker-Case going against Rev. Hellhound's Messiah (obama). My problem lies when individuals use scare words to panic the ignorant masses. There has been an influx in the notion that Obama is responsible for a growing Presidential power, and that whenever we are to turn out our lights he will take control of the entirety of American life.
    Its not necessarily presidential as it is government power as a whole.

    He is growing government power, this welfare package is proof of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    My problem is with people who grab their "lassiez-faire" economic standards and scream bloody murder when there is a stimulus package issued in by the current government to follow the Keynesian idea of "help for the short term". My problem is when people do not understand that a completely hands-off government is not an ideal that can withstand the modern day economy; Adam Smith could not even imagine the way the world is right now, as the differences on all fronts are staggering.
    My problem is with people viewing the $787 Billion dollars as the entirety of America's money. That if this ripple does not cause a nourishing, and reviving wave, then we are all fooked. This package is just a ripple.. that is all it is. Look at the $2.5 Trillion suggested by the Secretary of Treasury.
    The problem is that your appealing to modern times as if it couldn't apply.

    Government caused the recession and now your ok with them fixing it?

    That sounds like insanity to me.
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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Its not necessarily presidential as it is government power as a whole.

    He is growing government power, this welfare package is proof of that.



    The problem is that your appealing to modern times as if it couldn't apply.

    Government caused the recession and now your ok with them fixing it?

    That sounds like insanity to me.
    The Government is not the reason for the lack of consumer buying power. Capitalism does not increase wages unless the Government mandates; it is not good business to give "unnecessary" pay increases.

    The innate Phil Grahamm, and the mind-on-other-things Bill Clinton do hold accountability. However Capitalism as a structure is not blameless. The consolidation of wealth is a good place to begin the blame-game.
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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    The Government is not the reason for the lack of consumer buying power.
    But its the cause of the non uniform deregulation and cheap credit which led to this recession and in turn led to less consumer buying power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Capitalism does not increase wages unless the Government mandates; it is not good business to give "unnecessary" pay increases.
    The market increases or decreases wages based on supply and demand, that is why the surplus of people who can flip hamburgers are always paid much less than nuclear engineers.

    Capitalism rewards innovation and efficiency with raises and pay increases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    The innate Phil Grahamm, and the mind-on-other-things Bill Clinton do hold accountability. However Capitalism as a structure is not blameless. The consolidation of wealth is a good place to begin the blame-game.
    I'm not your typical partisan who blames one party or another when both support a failed economic theory.

    The market functions whether or not you try to manipulate it. The manipulations are short lived and the corrections hurt.

    Until people realize this we will go through another boom, bust cycle in 7-10 years and again we will be assigning blame to another defunct government policy and the people who support it.

    Wealth consolidates only with those who manipulate the system or with those who produce or innovate.
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