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Thread: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It seems like every time a Democratic scandal or lie is being discussed Obama supporters will invariably rationalize or dismiss it by citing what they perceive to be an analogous instance of Republican dishonesty or malfeasance.

    So, my question is this: why does it matter what the Republicans did? Does their dishonesty or malfeasance justify the dishonesty or malfeasance of Obama, his administration, or the Democratic Party? If a wrong has been committed shouldn't it be rectified regardless of what has happened in the past?

    To be honest, you people are starting to scare me. Why are you so reticent to scrutinize or criticize Obama and, to a lesser extent, the Democrats? I understand there will be non-issues which are blown out of proportion by partisans but there have been legitimate concerns and grievances regarding his conduct on the campaign trail and in the White House and I've yet to see any significant scrutiny coming from the left.

    Partisans are ruining this country and I'm getting awfully sick and tired of their nonsense - Republicans included - but, for now, the left is on the hot-seat because their man is in office and I believe it's time you faced up to the un-face-up-to-able (Simpsons reference, sorry); that perhaps you ARE a partisan and that perhaps you HAVE been hypocritical despite your insistence to the contrary. Take a long, hard look at yourselves...
    Conversely, many Republicans are attacking Obama as vengence for similar attacks on Bush over the past eight years. Is that OK? Absolutely not. It is idiotic partisan hackery. Both sides are blame. and there are so many partisan hacks on this site that refuse to admit the obvious: THEY ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    *cricket* *cricket*
    The partisan hacks on this site aren't going to admit to anything, Ethereal. They are in denial and are clueless about their own hyperpartisanism. They just believe what they believe in a closedminded way, with no ability to look at things objectively. Absolutism, on either side, is exclusionary, illogical, and shows small minded. Just because one has a belief, doesn't mean that belief is fact, nor does it mean that all other beliefs must be silenced. Hyperpartisans cannot understand this concept.

    I tried to challenge the forum to look at themselves about 6 months ago. Some folks did and became more open-minded because of it. Some folks did not, and stayed in their own small-minded, scared little world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The partisan hacks on this site aren't going to admit to anything, Ethereal. They are in denial and are clueless about their own hyperpartisanism. They just believe what they believe in a closedminded way, with no ability to look at things objectively. Absolutism, on either side, is exclusionary, illogical, and shows small minded. Just because one has a belief, doesn't mean that belief is fact, nor does it mean that all other beliefs must be silenced. Hyperpartisans cannot understand this concept.

    I tried to challenge the forum to look at themselves about 6 months ago. Some folks did and became more open-minded because of it. Some folks did not, and stayed in their own small-minded, scared little world.
    Then I challenge you to set the example. Barack Obama lied about lobbyists, flip-flopped on FISA and campaign finance, spent one-hundred million dollars on his inaguration during an economic disaster, appointed a man who can't even pay his taxes to head the US Treasury, and railroaded a pork-laden bill through Congress, just to name the big ones. I believe any objective person would admit that a large portion of the things I've listed are blatantly dishonest, hypocritical, or foolish. Perhaps you can provide us with some analysis.

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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    As an outsider, I am tired of the double standard. When the Republicans were in power, and those with a Democratic leaning were calling out bad policy decisions, Republican supporters would say, "Well, look at what the Dems did in such and such year. You think Clinton was any better?" Now Obama is in power and doing controversial things, and the Republicans are on the complete reverse side of the coin, AND the Democrat supporters are giving the same responses!

    When are you partisan hacks going to wake up and start treating the issues on a case by case basis? You need to get over yourselves. This partisan division which has become even more extreme in the past 10 years is the reason why recent Presidents are able to get away with so much. They are laughing all the way to bank while America bickers over which side of the same damn coin is correct.

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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    When Bush was president and the partisan democrats were complaining about everything Bush the Republicans were saying it was Clinton's fault and not Bush's. Now that Obama is President it's "don't focus on past policies, it's the present that matters". And in 2012, if a Republican takes office again it will be back to blaming the previous President (the Democrat) for all the woes of the new Republican President.

    Obama has made some decisions that lowers my confidence with who he surrounds himself with. The so called "pork" stimulus is called such because it focuses on more left leaning spending projects. Is that really a surprise from a Democratic Senate/Congress/Executive? Granted I haven't read the spending line by line but I haven't seen any major spending in the package that will not flow funding into the commercial market (thus stimulating the economy). What is debatable if it's the best way or will have the needed impact.

    The inauguration spending wasn't a surprise either. Bush's ceremony had about 300,000 people attend. Obama had between 1.2-1.7 million. Obviously spending would increase. What isn't talked about is the economic stimulus that occurred by those 1.4 million people traveling to DC and the other millions of people attending parties/bars/restaurants/etc.
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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What isn't talked about is the economic stimulus that occurred by those 1.4 million people traveling to DC and the other millions of people attending parties/bars/restaurants/etc.
    I suppose you could use exactly the same argument to support the high-roller banking junkets to Vegas or other vacation destinations.

    After all... they're stimulating the economy by spending 'millions' on bars, hotels, airline tickets, limousines, restaurants... etc.


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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I suppose you could use exactly the same argument to support the high-roller banking junkets to Vegas or other vacation destinations.

    After all... they're stimulating the economy by spending 'millions' on bars, hotels, airline tickets, limousines, restaurants... etc.

    Yes they are. Those millions of dollars seep to hundreds of industries and thousands of people.
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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yes they are. Those millions of dollars seep to hundreds of industries and thousands of people.
    By your logic it should be possible for the government to perpetually stimulate the economy simply by spending tax-payer's money at a constant rate in the form of a monthly "stimulus" bill. If the underlying principle of your strategy is sound then there is no reason it shouldn't work. By the way, how much stimulus did Bush's bills provide?

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    Re: Does One Wrong Justify Another?

    All things being equal, a wrong does not justify a wrong. However, some wrongs are bigger than others, and arguably some wrongs are worth it in the face of bigger wrongs.
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