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    Re: Shocking New Numbers-Obama Losing Americans...and Investors

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You're thinking of classic liberalism, which is probably the farthest thing from modern liberalism as you can get.
    I think that modern liberalism continues the same spirit as classic liberalism. Just in some cases it goes too far. But answering the question I chose maybe, I don't make long-term financial decisions on market conditions in the short-term. We'll see where the market goes, most of my stocks have been performing alright but I have taken losses in media and made gains in clean energy.

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    Re: Shocking New Numbers-Obama Losing Americans...and Investors

    I think that modern liberalism continues the same spirit as classic liberalism.
    I vehemently disagree.

    Classic liberalism is a doctrine stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and a gold standard to place fiscal constraints on government.

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    Re: Shocking New Numbers-Obama Losing Americans...and Investors

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I vehemently disagree.
    I think you are confusing Liberalism with the Democratic Party agenda.

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    Re: Shocking New Numbers-Obama Losing Americans...and Investors

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical Ron View Post
    I think you are confusing Liberalism with the Democratic Party agenda.
    Then pray tell, kind sir, where are these mythical liberals you speak of? You know, the ones who are not Democrats and advocate free-market economics and limited government? I've searched thither and yon to find these noble beasts yet they elude me in my endeavors. Help me, wise sage!

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    Re: Shocking New Numbers-Obama Losing Americans...and Investors

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I vehemently disagree.
    I disagree as well (not to you, but the fella you're quoting).

    American politics is all on the Classical Liberal scale. No body, for the most part, in America refutes natural freedoms and a proponent for an oppressive regime to protect us from... our neighbors (as Hobbes would suggest)

    In America it is just a matter of when and where the Government can interfere.
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    Re: Shocking New Numbers-Obama Losing Americans...and Investors

    I disagree as well (not to you, but the fella you're quoting).

    American politics is all on the Classical Liberal scale. No body, for the most part, in America refutes natural freedoms and a proponent for an oppressive regime to protect us from... our neighbors (as Hobbes would suggest)

    In America it is just a matter of when and where the Government can interfere.
    The classical liberals you spoke of (The Founding Fathers) are the diametric opposites of modern day liberals. I would argue that if modern liberals are even on the scale of classic liberalism then they are in serious risk of falling off said scale.

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    Re: Shocking New Numbers-Obama Losing Americans...and Investors

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Then pray tell, kind sir, where are these mythical liberals you speak of? You know, the ones who are not Democrats and advocate free-market economics and limited government? I've searched thither and yon to find these noble beasts yet they elude me in my endeavors. Help me, wise sage!
    They do exist, but it is how you define a liberal that makes you identify them. And they exist in both parties btw, but are rare.
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    Re: Shocking New Numbers-Obama Losing Americans...and Investors

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I'm shocked that you don't know.

    I'd be shocked if Rush wasn't using this buzzword this week.

    That or it has to do with cops tazering crying suspects.
    I'm shocked that you are shocked.
    I'm shocked that the OP is shocked.
    I'm shocked that Rush Limbaugh is shocked.
    I'm shocked that I just put my finger in a light socket.
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    Re: Shocking New Numbers-Obama Losing Americans...and Investors

    This is all so shocking to me

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    Re: Shocking New Numbers-Obama Losing Americans...and Investors

    Rasmussen Reportsô: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Site.

    Overall, 61% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the Presidentís performance so far while 37% disapprove. The Presidentís overall approval rating has been remarkably steady since inauguration day, staying between 60% and 62% every day but three. Once it slipped a point below that range and twice it went a point above.
    Which American's is Aquapub talking about?
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