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    Do you care more about ideas or results?

    Considering the state of the domestic and world economy, do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

    In the end, all I care about until we get out of this economic crisis is that who ever gets their way in terms of public policy is proven right even if I disagree with them.
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    Re: Do you care more about ideas or results?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Considering the state of the domestic and world economy, do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

    In the end, all I care about until we get out of this economic crisis is that who ever gets their way in terms of public policy is proven right even if I disagree with them.
    I'm a results driven kinda guy, but I'm not sure I understand what that last paragraph is getting at.

    "whoever gets their way in terms of public policy is proven right even if I disagree with them"?

    Correct me if I'm misunderstanding this, but whoever gets their way in terms of public policy is getting their way in terms of public policy. It doesn't suggest anything about results.
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    Re: Do you care more about ideas or results?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    I'm a results driven kinda guy, but I'm not sure I understand what that last paragraph is getting at.

    "whoever gets their way in terms of public policy is proven right even if I disagree with them"?

    Correct me if I'm misunderstanding this, but whoever gets their way in terms of public policy is getting their way in terms of public policy. It doesn't suggest anything about results.
    I guess I could have worded that better. What I mean is for example, I may not agree with everything in the Stimulus, but despite that, I hope that it works and thus I am wrong about the parts I disagree with.

    So, I hope that those that got there way in terms of shaping and passing the stimulus end up being right, because their ideas worked even if I may have not agreed with all of them.

    This would be in contrast to saying, well, those that shaped the stimulus are wrong, and though I don't think it will work, I don't care even if it does, they are still wrong.
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    Re: Do you care more about ideas or results?

    Just because something "works" doesn't mean it's worth the sacrifice or the means.

    Like, for instance... If the government wire-tapped everyone's phones and put GPS chips in our skulls, and videotaped our every move it might make the country "safer" from "terrorists". It might "work", but the end does not always justify the means.

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    Re: Do you care more about ideas or results?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Just because something "works" doesn't mean it's worth the sacrifice or the means.

    Like, for instance... If the government wire-tapped everyone's phones and put GPS chips in our skulls, and videotaped our every move it might make the country "safer" from "terrorists". It might "work", but the end does not always justify the means.
    Good point, but in the end I guess it all depends on what the ends are worth. For example, the ends had a lot more value to us during World War II and the Civil War than they did over the last 8 years, thus we gave our presidents far more leeway at the time.
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    Re: Do you care more about ideas or results?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I guess I could have worded that better. What I mean is for example, I may not agree with everything in the Stimulus, but despite that, I hope that it works and thus I am wrong about the parts I disagree with.

    So, I hope that those that got there way in terms of shaping and passing the stimulus end up being right, because their ideas worked even if I may have not agreed with all of them.

    This would be in contrast to saying, well, those that shaped the stimulus are wrong, and though I don't think it will work, I don't care even if it does, they are still wrong.
    In that aspect, then I agree. I would put my partisanship second to results.

    I don't have strong doubts that the stimulus package won't work. I'm hoping it does. Economies are funny and sometimes change for the sake of change is a good thing. I question tax-and-spend policies for the long run, but if it works and turns this ship around, then I'll be glad.
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    Re: Do you care more about ideas or results?

    The problem is, now that it's done, there's no way to know if the inevitable recovery is because of it or in spite of it.
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    Re: Do you care more about ideas or results?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Just because something "works" doesn't mean it's worth the sacrifice or the means.

    Like, for instance... If the government wire-tapped everyone's phones and put GPS chips in our skulls, and videotaped our every move it might make the country "safer" from "terrorists". It might "work", but the end does not always justify the means.
    Many people already plaster whats suppose to be private for them all over the internet anyways....and are already exposed to people in almost everything they do so what difference would this make?

    Only people with something disturbing to hide would disagree...true?

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    Re: Do you care more about ideas or results?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The problem is, now that it's done, there's no way to know if the inevitable recovery is because of it or in spite of it.
    Yeah. No matter what happens in the following years, pretty much anyone who's dead set on hating or loving the current administration will be able to keep their worldview with minimal cognitive dissonance.

    What we really need in economics is parallel universes to experiment on.

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    Re: Do you care more about ideas or results?

    Quote Originally Posted by SWM View Post
    Yeah. No matter what happens in the following years, pretty much anyone who's dead set on hating or loving the current administration will be able to keep their worldview with minimal cognitive dissonance.

    What we really need in economics is parallel universes to experiment on.
    We have one - it's called the EU.

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