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Thread: Obama Compromises National Defense

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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Your right there. Although it is often forgotten that at the exact same time as the Cuban thing the US was trying to install its missiles in Turkey. Man it would have saved a lot of worry if neither had even bothered.


    True, but such is not reality.....


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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Spoken like a true isolationist ostrich.

    I suppose it wasn't in our national interests to protect West Germany during the Cold War either, right? Or France during WWII. They were all the way over in Europe, after all...since geographical distance and wealth are apparently the only two factors that should determine our involvement.
    The difference is that West Germany lacked the ability to protect itself during the Cold War, and France lacked the ability to protect itself during WWII. Europe and Israel today have the ability to build this ridiculous boondoggle themselves, if they want to.

    And calling me an isolationist is patently ridiculous, as I am more of a globalist than 90% of the people on this forum...including you.
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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    since we want to talk about past presidents. You forgot Clinton
    You speak far too often of things you know little to nothing about.

    Care to look up how the CTR was enacted? Guess who signed that larger bill? It wasn't HW or his offspring.

    Furthermore, did Clinton ever try to de-fund the CTR? Bush certainly tried to.

    Again, you speak far too often of things you know little to nothing about.

    This is dumb. What you don't understand about BMDO could surpass any battery shield system.....
    Why is it dumb? Do you not understand the concept of 2nd strike capabilities in the greater scheme of MAD? Without 2nd strike, there is no deterrence. Without deterrence one can freely use nuclear weapons. As stated before and as you ignored again, a shield designed to destroy an enemy shield is offensive.

    Saying something is dumb and then completely failing to address why it is dumb is a poor method of argumentation.

    In the future, please predicate your arguments with a disclaimer of "I say so." It will help new users in understanding how you argue.
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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    I suppose it wasn't in our national interests to protect West Germany during the Cold War either, right? Or France during WWII.
    Pubby. This is 2009. Circumstance and national interests always change and evolve. Who could have imagined in 1964 that most Warsaw Pact nations would someday be NATO members?

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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Pubby. This is 2009. Circumstance and national interests always change and evolve. Who could have imagined in 1964 that most Warsaw Pact nations would someday be NATO members?
    Vague, irrelevant generalities.

    None of this refutes the point being made-that America's interests don't stop at our shores.
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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The difference is that West Germany lacked the ability to protect itself during the Cold War, and France lacked the ability to protect itself during WWII. Europe and Israel today have the ability to build this ridiculous boondoggle themselves, if they want to.
    Our European "allies" had the capability to stand up to Hitler early on and prevent much of what happened, but, being the visionless European cowards they are, they chose the Carter-Clinton-Obama route of surrender and appeasement until it was too late.

    If we wait to find out whether or not our European "allies" have finally learned from history for once, which they never do (see Spain's reaction to al Qaida attacks, the entire continent's grovel and cower strategy for appeasing Iran, etc.), it will be too late and Russia will be strong-arming their way into unacceptable dominance over Europe, and Israel will be forced into an unnecessary confrontation with Iran.

    Weakness begets aggression.

    Mark my words, surrendering missile defense will be the way Democrats create the next international crisis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And calling me an isolationist is patently ridiculous, as I am more of a globalist than 90% of the people on this forum...including you.
    Don't make isolationist arguments if you don't want to be correctly identified as having taken an isolationist position.
    Last edited by aquapub; 02-22-09 at 05:56 PM.
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