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Thread: Obama Compromises National Defense

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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Good to see Obama getting something right. Pissing off Russia by deploying a missile shield that is unlikely to work against threats that currently do not exist is a bad strategy. Iran is not going to be able to attack us with missiles for a very long while, and Israel will not allow them to develop nukes. If you want a missile shield, it should actually work, and be deployed on American soil in secret.




    Right, because everything that has been invented has already been invented....


    such a luddite comment here.


    BMDO or MDA has made many technological advances.



    This is a defensive measure.


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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Bush provoked a war between Georgia and Russia, just for the hell of it. I don't see how Obama could do anything remotely so stupid.

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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    It amazes me that some conservatives are the first people to whinge about the size of government, but they don't seem to blink an eye when government spending is increased on useless defense policies. Then some conservatives bemoan Europe's attitude towards defence, that it is; the US is always bailing their ass. My point is this; how can you ever encourage Europe to look after its on affairs if it can easily pam it of to America? You don't change bad behavior by rewarding it.
    This is only some Conservatives, namely neocons types and mostly American. A lot of Conservatives realise this ideological, bear-baiting liberal crap is not a good idea.
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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Right, because everything that has been invented has already been invented....


    such a luddite comment here.


    BMDO or MDA has made many technological advances.



    This is a defensive measure.
    A defensive measure in the backyard of a great power. Hardly the best idea to serve stability and national security. Unless you are willing to go to war and crush Russia and think it is easily worth then it is a silly idea. Otherwise it is not in your national interest and is a silly liberal ideological game.

    How would you like it is Russia, or China or the EU, installed such a thing in central America?
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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Right, because everything that has been invented has already been invented.
    Perhaps, but it is rather idiotic to spend money on that when the most likely use of a nuclear weapon against the US will be by smuggling in through the ports or across the border.

    It's cheaper just to work with the Russians to eliminate the nukes in the first place and we get relatively cheap MOX out of it.

    Bush deserves to be criticized for decades for his failure to do just that.

    This is a defensive measure.
    Perhaps if we were the Swiss yes. However, the ability to suppress a 2nd strike capacity from a potential target is indeed offensive. The tool that eliminates MAD is offensive in nature. A shield that is designed to destroy an enemy's shield has moved from the defensive use into the offensive.
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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Perhaps, but it is rather idiotic to spend money on that when the most likely use of a nuclear weapon against the US will be by smuggling in through the ports or across the border.

    It's cheaper just to work with the Russians to eliminate the nukes in the first place and we get relatively cheap MOX out of it.

    Bush deserves to be criticized for decades for his failure to do just that.

    since we want to talk about past presidents. You forgot Clinton


    Perhaps if we were the Swiss yes. However, the ability to suppress a 2nd strike capacity from a potential target is indeed offensive. The tool that eliminates MAD is offensive in nature. A shield that is designed to destroy an enemy's shield has moved from the defensive use into the offensive.


    This is dumb. What you don't understand about BMDO could surpass any battery shield system.....


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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    A defensive measure in the backyard of a great power. Hardly the best idea to serve stability and national security. Unless you are willing to go to war and crush Russia and think it is easily worth then it is a silly idea. Otherwise it is not in your national interest and is a silly liberal ideological game.

    How would you like it is Russia, or China or the EU, installed such a thing in central America?


    Didn't they do somehing like that before?


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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    We certainly have less of a stake in the affairs of Europe, Israel, and the Middle East than Europe, Israel, and the Middle East do.

    Again, these are not poor countries who are completely dependent on us. They could build this thing if they wanted to. It's ridiculous to conclude that WE need this boondoggle for OUR national interests, when even the countries at risk aren't willing to pay for it.
    Spoken like a true isolationist ostrich.

    I suppose it wasn't in our national interests to protect West Germany during the Cold War either, right? Or France during WWII. They were all the way over in Europe, after all...since geographical distance and wealth are apparently the only two factors that should determine our involvement.
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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Didn't they do somehing like that before?
    Your right there. Although it is often forgotten that at the exact same time as the Cuban thing the US was trying to install its missiles in Turkey. Man it would have saved a lot of worry if neither had even bothered.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 02-20-09 at 12:54 PM.
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    Re: Obama Compromises National Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Spoken like a true isolationist ostrich.
    Spoken like a true liberal.
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