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    Are you a political "atheist"?

    YouTube - ' Worst economic collapse ever'

    This guy is a trend forecaster and self proclaimed political atheists..

    About 10 minutes out in the video..
    when people look at the trends they colour them or shade them with their own ideology, their own belief. Its what they want, what they hope, what they wish for. I am a political atheists, I look at things the way they are, not they way I want them to be, nor colour them or try to change them because of an ideology.
    Thats when it hits me, that I am a political atheist, and that this angers many people who aren't, especially the ones who always colour of shade their opinions with ideology or their own belief.

    Personally I think only a tiny minority in general and a very tiny minority, even just a few people on this forum are political atheists.. It would be interesting to see what you yourself think.
    Last edited by Maximus Zeebra; 02-15-09 at 02:36 PM.
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    Re: Are you a political "atheist"?

    I dont think its possible to look at a situation, political or otehrwise without colouring it with an ideology of sorts.

    each person has been subjected to diffrent stimuli, news articles, views of their parents, diffrent moral codes, and experiences. It simply isnt possible to look at a situation abstractly enough to call yourself a "political athiest" in this sense.

    Is this Gerald selente? I like him, but really i think its naive to think of yourself as a totally impartial news reader.
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    Re: Are you a political "atheist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by cheat3 View Post
    I dont think its possible to look at a situation, political or otehrwise without colouring it with an ideology of sorts.

    each person has been subjected to diffrent stimuli, news articles, views of their parents, diffrent moral codes, and experiences. It simply isnt possible to look at a situation abstractly enough to call yourself a "political athiest" in this sense.

    Is this Gerald selente? I like him, but really i think its naive to think of yourself as a totally impartial news reader.

    Well, of course, but then again we are talking about political atheist according to the definition above. It is possible if you are open to every view but do not necessarily take anything but reality as facts or "ideology"..

    The only things that somewhat makes me "partial" is that I am born in the west and somewhat under western influence. But I have the ability to overlook western perspectives if they do not fit in the reality.

    Also some would call me "partial" over my support for the European Union(skeptical support), while I say that is exactly because I am a political atheist and just think its a better political process than my own tainted, bias and silly democratic government.

    Some would say I am anti-American, but thats just because they do not understand that I am against strong ideology and that I hate nationalism. If they looked at it in a perspective of "political atheism", they would know that I only want what is best for the US and therefor is naturally pro-US, which is also pretty much a political atheist stand, because the US is one of the best countries in the world, just like the EU is one of the most progressive forms of governance.

    I don't take emotional or instinctive stands on things, I take intellectual and unclouded stands on things. So both when I watch US news or Russian news I do so with utter skepticism, like I always view things. I am mostly also a skeptic, yes, and highly critical of all information I process.
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    Re: Are you a political "atheist"?

    No-"political atheism" does not exist. Much of modern bourgeois philosophy has hit the end of the road and so some are trying to claim that they are without or above ideology.

    You claim that because you are a "political atheist" you support the EU and US. I think this clearly shows "political atheism" or whatever is not above ideology.

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    Re: Are you a political "atheist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Monster View Post
    You claim that because you are a "political atheist" you support the EU and US. I think this clearly shows "political atheism" or whatever is not above ideology.
    Its not as simple as that.. Thats not actually what I said.. Simplified its not correct.. Political atheism is only looking at the reality without any ideology, feelings and so on.

    I assume political atheism is also about choosing the best solutions, without favoring any solutions based on ideology, feelings and so on.
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    Re: Are you a political "atheist"?

    Political atheism is only looking at the reality without any ideology, feelings and so on.
    So "political atheism" is trying to divorce itself from reality? Like trying to look at a rock from every infinitesimal view? In other words, it tries to be so objective that it is an impossible state?
    I assume political atheism is also about choosing the best solutions, without favoring any solutions based on ideology, feelings and so on.
    One can go ahead and try, but it does not happen.

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    You said:
    Also some would call me "partial" over my support for the European Union(skeptical support), while I say that is exactly because I am a political atheist and just think its a better political process blah blah blah
    When waging support for some organization or action or whatever you should always ask yourself who benefits/ who loses. You will find the ideology of you/other person. Though may not think it, your support for the EU, "political atheism," and "anti-nationalism" can tell a lot about your ideology.
    Last edited by Cookie Monster; 02-15-09 at 09:31 PM.

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    Re: Are you a political "atheist"?

    I voted yes, but on further reflection I'm really not. I view most things from a personal liberty perspective and it shades many of my perceptions.
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    Re: Are you a political "atheist"?

    I honestly don't think I am, and don't care.

    I pretty much go with the Constitution as it is set down by the founders. I do not think it is a "living breathing" document to be changed.

    So in the end I guess I am not because I pretty much apply the Constitution to everything politically speaking.


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    Re: Are you a political "atheist"?

    I've been participating/lurking in political forums for upwards of ten years now, and in my experience every single person has believed their position to be the one of calm reasoning and cool logic.

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    Re: Are you a political "atheist"?

    There can be no such thing as political atheism. Because political atheism would mean you'd have no political opinions what so ever. Atheism is an affirmation of non-belief.

    You can not believe in Jesus, not eat porc because of Mohammed's teachings, not eat beef because of something you read in a Hindu scroll, follow the teachings of Buddha and still call yourself an atheist.

    Likewise :

    You can not : support the Democrats regarding welfare, support the Republicans when it comes to national security, be liberal about abortion, be conservative about illegal immigrants and still consider yourself a 'political atheist'.

    It seems to me like the people who are calling themselves 'political atheists' don't seem to understand what an atheist is.
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