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    Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    The Pirate Bay Goes To Court

    In May, 2006, Swedish police raided the offices of The Pirate Bay and seized the BitTorrent tracker’s servers. The site was down for a couple of days, but the bigger news was the arrest of some of people behind The Pirate Bay.
    The Pirate Bay is not only the largest BitTorrent tracker in the world, it’s also the most notorious. There has been no effort to comply with copyright laws, with The Pirate Bay believing the sharing of files is legal and legitimate, despite the claims of the copyright holders
    If they lose the case, the four people in the dock face damages of 1.2 million SEK (€112,000) to be paid to the Swedish Government, and a further 116 million SEK (€10.8 million) in damages to the movie industry members involved in the lawsuit. Prison sentences could also be handed out but it seems unlikely because, as always, the media old guard are more interested in money than anything else.

    Aside from the obvious ramifications for The Pirate Bay and its founders should the case be lost, which, in my opinion, is almost guaranteed, there is possibility that the result of this case could be felt elsewhere.
    The Pirate Bay is about to go on trial over file sharing and supposed copyright infringement.

    Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    The Pirate Bay Goes To Court | What Are The Consequences If The BitTorrent Tracker Loses?
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Though I partake in it from time to time, it's obviously illegal and should remain that way.

    If it wasn't illegal, nobody who had the most basic level of technical knowledge would ever pay for anything again.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    downloading movies or other content should be illegal >>> No
    Offering a "free" downloadable movies should be illegal >>> yes

    For me, I download movies, softwares, songs, .. as long as they are free.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    I look at it this way. It's OK to record a physical copy of <insert movie/music here> and give that physical copy to another person as a gift. There are no laws against it. So why should downloading it from the net be illegal? As long as it is done without charging money for it then it's not a copyright infringement as far as I am concerned. Before the age of computers no one cared if you copied something so long as you didn't pass it off as your own work. A person could make a copy of Hamlet and pass it around and no one cared, again so long as they didn't pass it off as their own work.

    I know the argument of "it takes money away from the original authors/actors etc etc but I just don't see it. This kind of thing has been happening for YEARS now and they are still in business making more money than I will ever see in my life time. So obviously it doesn't hurt them near as much as they claim.

    Case in point that shows this even more is YouTube. There's millions of videos on there and you can even watch whole movies/shows on there. Yet that is considered OK. So whats the difference between YouTube and The Pirate Bay? You can watch the same video/movie/show free from both sites. Heck if you have the right programs you can put the video from YouTube onto your computer, just like you can with The Pirate Bay. And from there do what you want with it. So whats the real difference?
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I look at it this way. It's OK to record a physical copy of <insert movie/music here> and give that physical copy to another person as a gift. There are no laws against it.
    What makes you think this? That is in fact illegal and always has been.

    So why should downloading it from the net be illegal? As long as it is done without charging money for it then it's not a copyright infringement as far as I am concerned.
    That's just not the law.

    Before the age of computers no one cared if you copied something so long as you didn't pass it off as your own work. A person could make a copy of Hamlet and pass it around and no one cared, again so long as they didn't pass it off as their own work.
    Yes they did.

    I know the argument of "it takes money away from the original authors/actors etc etc but I just don't see it. This kind of thing has been happening for YEARS now and they are still in business making more money than I will ever see in my life time. So obviously it doesn't hurt them near as much as they claim.
    Because it was much more difficult to do it before, back when you had to physically transfer material to each other. Nowadays, one person can buy a CD and then put it on line for the rest of the world to download.

    Look at the figures for online music sales and how they've come to dominate brick and mortar sales. If all of that income were to disappear, these artists wouldn't be making all that money.

    Case in point that shows this even more is YouTube. There's millions of videos on there and you can even watch whole movies/shows on there. Yet that is considered OK. So whats the difference between YouTube and The Pirate Bay? You can watch the same video/movie/show free from both sites.
    1) Plenty of things are pulled from Youtube at the request of the copyright holders. This doesn't happen at Pirate Bay.
    2) People who put things up on youtube get shares of the advertising $$ in exchange for providing the material. This doesn't happen at Pirate Bay.
    3) You can only watch streaming video on youtube. This isn't true for Pirate Bay.

    Heck if you have the right programs you can put the video from YouTube onto your computer, just like you can with The Pirate Bay. And from there do what you want with it.
    Which is illegal as well.

    So whats the real difference?
    One's legal, one's not.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Well as long as the music, tv and movie industries are pigheaded and stuck in the 20th century, then download away in my opinion. They are the masters of their own doom.

    My reasoning is simple. All the 3 industries have failed to keep up with the movement of technology. Why should I have to wait weeks and months if not years to see the next episode of my favourite tv show or new movie? This fact contributes to a huge portion of the downloading, especially on the TV side.

    This is because of "rights", an archaic method to exploit more money out of people world wide. The "rights" issue was best exemplified during the last world cup in football. In Europe the main Danish tv channel has an encrypted version of its channels for expats living abroad (at an insane premium btw). But when it came to the world cup matches, they had to block the channel because they did not have the "rights" to send to Spain, France and others.. to Danish citizens, and only Danish citizens can get the channel (need passport to get the card). Now, you probally think, so what.... well the problem with this, is that the BBC, Spanish TV, German TV and many others, sent all the matches in the clear (non encrypted) for everyone to see. You could even watch some matches online at FIFA.com. This is just one example in a web of stupidity by the TV and Movie producers/releaser world wide.

    It use to be that a movie was first released in the US, then Asia and then months later in Europe. Now days, a lot of blockbusters are released on the same day in most major markets, to avoid the piracy. But still, studios refuse to do so, and then complain when you can get a pirated version online before the premiere in the US. On top of that, some studios complain despite releasing the movie in Asia and Russia first, the world capital of pirates. And of course they provide no methods of being able to download or view the movies online at all.......... which does not help the situation either. They want us to buy DVDs after all.

    Another idiotic moronic system is the DVD region codes. Not only is it anti competitive and in principle anti free market, it is acutally working against the studios! In today's market, one of the first regions to get DVDs is Region 5..... that is Russia, the worlds biggest releaser of pirated movies in DVD quality. We can get online, a Region 5 DVD rip of any movie (almost) before it is released on DVD in the US! And the movie companies complain...For example, a DVD region 5 version of "The day the earth stood still" was just released on the web a few days ago... the US DVD is out April 7th. See the idiotic nature of the system?

    Look at TV. Most major TV shows (non reality) are made in the US. But because of the way the system is for the most part, the release of new episodes happens in the US first, and if we are lucky we get it the same week over here in Europe, but mostly its weeks if not months and years after. We have no possibility to download or access new US shows legally, because of the rights issue, but the technology is there.. yet the US tv companies refuse to give access to non Americans to download legally the content. And then they complain we download and watch illegal copies.... If I could pay a few bucks to watch my favourite tv shows hours after it airs in the US or even at the same time, I would. But I cant.

    Now to compound the idiotic ways of TV channels, we have the case of Stargate SG1. For years, yes years, the pattern was the first half of the season was released in the US, with the rest of the world following the same week or week after.. no biggie often. Now, the Sci Fi channel held an SG1 winter break from mid December every year, but guess what... the Canadian and UK channels did not. They kept sending the episodes, so the latter half of the season was often OVER before American's got it on their screens. Of course American's loved to download the last half of the season. Even a few years, the SG1 season was started months before in Canada so when it finaly was aired in the US and UK, the Canadian's was several episodes in, and of course they were all over the net.... and TV channels complain................

    The same goes for BSG btw.. during season 1 and 2, the UK's Sky TV aired new episodes before the US for a brief period.

    On the music side, the industry took almost a decade to figure out that people liked having the ability of downloading, and that the industries pricing was insane. Now the game is up, and they are far far too late out of the "starting blocks" to do anything about the illegal downloads. On top of that they are only now, years after they finally accepted downloads (legally), they are now figuring out that having DRM systems suck and are counter productive.

    Is this all stealing? yes, but when you leave the freaking door unlocked and big sign saying "come take my stuff because my security system is broken" then frankly I have no sympathy what so ever.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Though I partake in it from time to time, it's obviously illegal and should remain that way.

    If it wasn't illegal, nobody who had the most basic level of technical knowledge would ever pay for anything again.
    In some sense it is at odds with the general common law idea of private property. Private property is about scarce items, these laws are about monopolies.

    On the other hand I can see the practical benefit, certainly in th near-term. I'd advise keeping copyright and such but limiting them far more than they are now.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    As long as the movie industry and the music industry provide such primitive ways themselves to distribute Music and Movies and so on, and prices which are just meant to rob consumers, then I see what the pirate bay is doing is fair.

    If on the other hand there was an alternative to downloading music and movies illegally, in a relative cheap way, then it should be illegal.

    But who wants to pay for a movie online when often it takes longer to download, it cost the same as the physical DVD, and its full of restrictions and ****, and difficult to get hold of in the first place.

    In Music there is no good alternative to downloading, except CDs, and they suck big time, who wants to own a CD anyways? I buy CDs, rip them and just put them on my computer.. But why the **** should i be so stressful to get my Music in a decent format?
    Isuck is the only big Music library online, and its stuffed with DRMs and restrictions and ****.. Who wants to have to use and Icock to play Music anyways?


    So yes.. Pirate bay is doing the right thing actually. Fighting the bloodsucking Music and Movie industry, who thinks they can survive by providing things in a rathe rprimitive and old fashion way, and suck as much money from you as they can.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    None of this whining about how "unfair" and "backwards" the movie industry is holds to the fact that people who pirate films are stealing from the people who own them and distributing them against the owners' will.

    So yes, if you download, you're participating in a crime, and no amount of righteous self-justification will change that.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    None of this whining about how "unfair" and "backwards" the movie industry is holds to the fact that people who pirate films are stealing from the people who own them and distributing them against the owners' will.

    So yes, if you download, you're participating in a crime, and no amount of righteous self-justification will change that.
    Who cares, when the model they use is outdated and backwards they deserve to be stolen from.

    Thats like a bank who keeps its money outside on the street in a box, because it cannot afford a safe, or didnt think of it.. I blame the bank then not the people for taking that money.
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