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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    I agree. but people shouldn't be turned off just because they hear the word "monopoly". In this case its a good thing. Such a monopoly is sharply limited to certain time frame and is very narrow in its constraints.
    Not limited enough in my book.

    All I'm trying to say is that patents and copyrights exist and for good reason. The positive consequences far outweigh the consequences of not having them.
    Personally I can think of many negative consequences such as the encouragement of centralisation in industry.

    Care to elaborate on what should be limited?
    The length of copyrights, what can be copyrighted and by whom.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    scourge99,

    Before "intellectual property," before copyright even, creativity existed, thrived. Your "without IP" rant, IMO, holds a lot of doom and gloom, though the implications of dealing with the abolition of copyright would be problematic since creative commons, copyleft, etc all rely on copyright to work. Copyright, and patents don't need abolition contrary to what some believe out there, but there are very big problems with these systems that need to be addressed and fixed. It is far from a flawless system. Patents are being granted for obvious things, prior art be damned, and copyright lasts for over a century easily, entangled in corporate bull**** and not serving those who actually create but rather those who "help" get the artist's work out.
    Whats funny is that the famous artists of the Renaissance time "pirated" or recreated each others works to sell.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    This is nothing but a opinion without support. In other words, its useless.
    Opinion? No, its called economics.

    I have given sound reasoning for intellectual property. There are plenty more reasons I have yet to give. If all you can do is dribble on with senseless undefended ramblings like this then we are done here. You have nothing to present here.
    How quaint, accusing me of doing what you yourself are doing in the very same paragraph.

    When will you people learn that allowing free minds to operate in free markets is the best way to allow society to run? Government only destroys, never creates.

    please explain.
    The fact that "intellectual property" clearly limits what I can do with my real property is self-evident.

    If I purchased a book or film and I made copies of it onto paper or discs that I owned, and then chose to give them away or sell them for money in voluntary exchange with willing buyers, that is none of the government's business.

    "Intellectual property" instead grants corporations and the government veto power over what I can do with my own REAL property, in case the pattern of letters I write with a pencil I own on a piece of paper I own ends up resembling something "copyrighted."

    It is an artificial monopoly incompatible with a free market.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Companies aren't stopping the sharing of information anymore than a store stops you. You can't walk into a store and steal "Windows" off the shelf without facing penalties. Just because the information isn't in a physical form doesn't mean its OK to steal it from others.
    The difference, of course, is that you aren't actually "stealing" anything, but simply copying it. This is why it isn't a violation of property in the literal sense; this is also why we are seeing companies attempt to claim that they are not actually selling video games/movies/CD's as products themselves, but are actually selling the ability to access that product (which is why we are seeing video games with draconian anti-piracy software installed).

    This is an even more absurd position, attempting to claim that even though I own the product I don't have the right to access it unless it is granted from the company. Ironically, this is an even more blatant violation of property rights than the supposed violations it is supposed to prevent! And it is this violation of property rights that those that consider filesharing to be illegal are defending.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    ...
    it allows you to see what isn't there and spout off semi-intelligently without actual rational basis to do so.
    steal   /stil/
    verb, stole, sto⋅len, steal⋅ing, noun
    –verb (used with object) 1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force.
    So explain how taking music, video, software, and other content against the wishes of the rightful owners is not stealing.

    Trying to justify it by what you think of the rightful owners and their practices is just rationalization but I'm sure it makes those that do it feel better about themself.

    Some folks that walk into a convenience store with a gun and steal some beer and cigs can rationalize their actions also. I suppose you think their actions are justified or do you also rationalize hypocrisy?

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    So explain how taking music, video, software, and other content against the wishes of the rightful owners is not stealing.
    Because you aren't "taking the property of others without consent." You are copying the property of someone that has consented for you to do so (i.e. the owner of the CD/movie/video game). This was actually explained a post above yours.

    Some folks that walk into a convenience store with a gun and steal some beer and cigs can rationalize their actions also. I suppose you think their actions are justified or do you also rationalize hypocrisy?
    Yes, downloading music is the same as robbing a convenience store with a gun.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Did anyone think it was illegal when a movie was on TV and you recorded it on a videotape with your VCR? Or a song on the radio that you loved and you bought a blank tape and recorded it onto the tape. I don't remember anyone condeming those actions. What's the difference? Besides time, convenience, and technology.....
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Because you aren't "taking the property of others without consent." You are copying the property of someone that has consented for you to do so (i.e. the owner of the CD/movie/video game). This was actually explained a post above yours.



    Yes, downloading music is the same as robbing a convenience store with a gun.
    Indeed... I don't see how I or any of us are saying "It's OK," but rather stating that in order to properly debate, things need to be correctly addressed, hence my post. Hence my post about him seeing things that aren't there. There is no rationalization, just clarification. You can have one without doing the other.

    Since this is a discussion on the legalities, the argument you/I make is stronger, since the court has made the distinction numerous times.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
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    Yes, downloading music is the same as robbing a convenience store with a gun.
    A thief is a thief no matter what or how they steal.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
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    Since this is a discussion on the legalities, the argument you/I make is stronger, since the court has made the distinction numerous times.
    Links please that show those court decisions that have said it is OK to copy/distribute copyrighted materal without the copyright holder's consent.

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