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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    You patent devices. You copyright works. This is fundamental misunderstanding on your part.
    I understand completely what each one is supposed to represent.

    That is why software is a patented object and not a copyrighted object.
    Devices have inputs and outputs. You as an engineer should know this better than I.

    Computer software processes inputs and delivers an output.
    It is not a literary work. It replaces a lot of patented analog machine controls though.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    WRONG. All patented items must have a full description of how to use and make the item and that description is in the public domain. There is nothing secret about them. Patents actually contribute to the proliferation of knowledge.

    But this isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about COPYRIGHTS, not PATENTS.

    Only if you don't understand what a patent or a copyright is, yes.
    Copyrights, patents, trademarks; all mercantilist trojan horses used to attack the free market.

    The free market works whereas mercantilism is a debunked theory, yet it is unsurprisingly still practiced in the case of "intellectual property" by the socialist regimes of the modern West.

    In this country we believe in private property and defending the rights of inventors to protect their intellectual property is the bread and butter of our society. Without intellectual property inventors works would be gobbled up copiers with greater funds and power. Intellectual property protects the individual.
    You can't believe in both private property and "intellectual property" considering the fact that the concept of "intellectual property" violates individual property rights.

    You aren't stealing information. You are stealing a product. This is but a petty attempt at justification for you.
    Shoplifting a physical box from a store is stealing a product.

    Downloading content from the internet from others who have purchased the product and are now making it available is most certainly NOT.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    1) what is "stealing" and HOW is it stealing You can't throw the term around without these parameters IMO.
    You are stealing intellectual property by violating its copyright.

    Copyright is a form of intellectual property which gives the creator of an original work exclusive rights for a certain time period in relation to that work, including its publication, distribution and adaptation; after which time the work is said to enter the public domain. Copyright applies to any expressible form of an idea or information that is substantive and discrete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    @) You are comparing copying bits and stealing hard physical media or product. This is not something that I am alone in believing that is different. Why is it that dealing with pirating software doesn't deal with the same body of law as shoplifting? They are the sam after all.
    Stealing - to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch

    Copyright infringement (or copyright violation) - the unauthorized use of material that is covered by copyright law, in a manner that violates one of the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works.

    So no you are not "stealing" per se. You are just violating the rights of another by taking/using/distributing their works illegally.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is why software is a patented object and not a copyrighted object.
    Software can be copyrighted.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Software can be copyrighted.
    Just because it is doesn't mean that it isn't logically done so.

    The law was perverted to appeal to Microsoft and other developers.
    Its part of the problem that keeps Microsoft in business.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    Copyrights, patents, trademarks; all mercantilist trojan horses used to attack the free market.
    This is nothing but a opinion without support. In other words, its useless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    The free market works whereas mercantilism is a debunked theory, yet it is unsurprisingly still practiced in the case of "intellectual property" by the socialist regimes of the modern West.
    I have given sound reasoning for intellectual property. There are plenty more reasons I have yet to give. If all you can do is dribble on with senseless undefended ramblings like this then we are done here. You have nothing to present here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    You can't believe in both private property and "intellectual property" considering the fact that the concept of "intellectual property" violates individual property rights.
    please explain.


    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    Shoplifting a physical box from a store is stealing a product.

    Downloading content from the internet from others who have purchased the product and are now making it available is most certainly NOT.
    See my previous post about stealing and copyright infringement.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just because it is doesn't mean that it isn't logically done so.
    huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The law was perverted to appeal to Microsoft and other developers.
    Its part of the problem that keeps Microsoft in business.
    Conspiracy nonsense. Intellectual property has been around for a long time. The idea of rights for the creator of works is nothing new even though computers are. The law was easily extended to cover such areas.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Going to bed. I'll respond tomorrow to further posts if time permits.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    scourge99,

    Before "intellectual property," before copyright even, creativity existed, thrived. Your "without IP" rant, IMO, holds a lot of doom and gloom, though the implications of dealing with the abolition of copyright would be problematic since creative commons, copyleft, etc all rely on copyright to work. Copyright, and patents don't need abolition contrary to what some believe out there, but there are very big problems with these systems that need to be addressed and fixed. It is far from a flawless system. Patents are being granted for obvious things, prior art be damned, and copyright lasts for over a century easily, entangled in corporate bull**** and not serving those who actually create but rather those who "help" get the artist's work out.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    huh?
    The law was applied in a nonsensical, illogical way.


    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Conspiracy nonsense. Intellectual property has been around for a long time. The idea of rights for the creator of works is nothing new even though computers are. The law was easily extended to cover such areas.
    I knew I shouldn't have mentioned Microsoft but its the most obvious one to prove my point.

    They have an inferior product and because it is copyrighted and not patented no one can improve upon it and create a superior product.

    Intellectual property is such a vague term. It could apply to machines to.

    It takes brains to create machines. Software is a graphical mechanical device, there is no disputing that.
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