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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Of course it should be illegal. Sharing copyrighted works purposefully or unintentionally to millions of unknown people is a violation of fair use. It is facilitating stealing. Those that download such works are stealing, plain and simple.
    But what if you do it to decide if you want to buy it?
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Companies aren't stopping the sharing of information anymore than a store stops you. You can't walk into a store and steal "Windows" off the shelf without facing penalties. Just because the information isn't in a physical form doesn't mean its OK to steal it from others.

    Just because it isn't in a physical form maks the act of "stealing " it like hard physical property impossible.

    Your analogy is flawed - stealing a boxed copy of window deprives the store owner of the physical item and the potential sale. Copying the OS only has the potential - the odds unpredictable IMO - to tarnish potential sales. That is why the law looks at the two matters differently.

    You wouldn't call rape theft, or murder theft, why not leave theft as thet and piracy as piracy and get on with the real debate?
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Companies aren't stopping the sharing of information anymore than a store stops you. You can't walk into a store and steal "Windows" off the shelf without facing penalties. Just because the information isn't in a physical form doesn't mean its OK to steal it from others.
    Nobody has the right to "own" information and use that to attack the property rights of others.

    Somebody who steals a copy of Windows off a store shelf is stealing, obviously, but that is a red herring since it is not what is being discussed here.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    But what if you do it to decide if you want to buy it?
    So its OK to steal because you were just trying it? "Sorry officer I stole this car because I wanted to try it first and the dealership wouldn't let me test drive it" I don't think that would go over so well.

    You don't get to force owners into selling or advertising their product a certain way.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Just because it isn't in a physical form maks the act of "stealing " it like hard physical property impossible.

    Your analogy is flawed - stealing a boxed copy of window deprives the store owner of the physical item and the potential sale. Copying the OS only has the potential - the odds unpredictable IMO - to tarnish potential sales. That is why the law looks at the two matters differently.

    You wouldn't call rape theft, or murder theft, why not leave theft as thet and piracy as piracy and get on with the real debate?
    I'd add that windows software can't be considered a copyright material since it is a virtual mechanical function.

    It is a virtual machine. A patent would only apply.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    But what if you do it to decide if you want to buy it?
    Most sites offer a free "sample" of its softwares (demo or trial-period softwares), productions, movies or songs. So you shall know what are you buying.

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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    So its OK to steal because you were just trying it? "Sorry officer I stole this car because I wanted to try it first and the dealership wouldn't let me test drive it" I don't think that would go over so well.

    You don't get to force owners into selling or advertising their product a certain way.
    I understand that. But I can test drive the car, I can look inside and out the car, and I can also inspect the engine and the performance numbers of a car.

    With a movie the only way you can see it is through a movie theater or dvd if you want to do it legally.

    Every other form of digital entertainment except software and movie industries allows you to see what your buying before you buy it.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    Nobody has the right to "own" information and use that to attack the property rights of others.
    Yes, we do. Its called intellectual property and copyright. Another similar area is trademarks.

    If you'd like me to fill you in on the details I can. The rules regarding these was pounded into my head through school as a computer engineering undergrad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    Somebody who steals a copy of Windows off a store shelf is stealing, obviously, but that is a red herring since it is not what is being discussed here.
    Only if you failed to understand the analogy.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I understand that. But I can test drive the car, I can look inside and out the car, and I can also inspect the engine and the performance numbers of a car.
    Who says? The owner of the car decides this. They don;t have to show you squat. Car dealerships PERMIT you to test drive, its not a right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    With a movie the only way you can see it is through a movie theater or dvd if you want to do it legally.
    So?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Every other form of digital entertainment except software and movie industries allows you to see what your buying before you buy it.
    No they PERMIT you. No one HAS to let you.
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    Re: Do you think downloading movies or other content should be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Yes, we do. Its called intellectual property and copyright. Another similar area is trademarks.

    If you'd like me to fill you in on the details I can. The rules regarding these was pounded into my head through school as a computer engineering undergrad.

    Only if you failed to understand the analogy.
    Software should not be copyrighted. Only patented.
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